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Scalise should die slowly and painfully of a lethal but easily treatable form of cancer that goes untreated.

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It's sort of amazing when people tell me that banning Nazism is a slippery slope, partially because there's no evidence for such a thing, but more because, even if you're right, even if banning Nazism risks limiting free speech, not banning Nazism risks fucking genocide. Like, last time we gave this...

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Can you tell me where they've banned hate speech and it has led to the kind of repression you're talking about? If not then you're just using a slippery slope fallacy.

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What's the point of asking if any of us would be okay with fundies demanding that businesses don't serve gay people? What in the hell does that have to do with demanding that businesses don't serve Nazis? Do you seriously think there's some kind of inconsistency there? It's the manatee theory of hu...

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> but as long as they don't become mainstream, it doesn't matter.

In 1923, the Nazis were a fringe party that nobody ever thought would have any mainstream relevance.

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This is a rant from Reddit. I take no credit for it. Let people live their lives in peace and let them believe whatever nonsense they want to believe. As a German, I find myself groaning whenever I see this discussion come up. You seem to start with the assumption that these are fringe beliefs that ...

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Even if we grant that there are gray areas, we should all be able to agree that fucking Nazism isn't one of them. Nor is there any evidence of slippery slope; loads of countries ban hate speech and haven't become goose-stepping dictatorships.

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> Celebrities are people first

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> But was Spencer promoting his politics while being at the gym? No he wasn't. He even denied being Richard Spencer. Why does he deserve a peaceful life that he would deny to the majority of humanity? People like Richard Spencer should have no peace in life, ever. They should not be able to step foo...

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Wanting certain people to die for certain things doesn't necessarily entail wanting the state to have that authority.

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> As long as Spencer was minding his own business, he wasn't bothering anyone. Spencer's politics lead to lives being ruined. Why is he entitled to the peace he wants to deny from the majority of the population of Earth? > What if people get bothered by two people of the same gender holding hands? O...

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I missed another Chx?

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Anyone want to start?

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"But, peep this: it's also true that not voting against such a devastating threat(and encouraging others not to as well) is a very stupid thing to do." So I *should* encourage others to do so. Which means I *should* get my movements in bed with the Democrats. Which means I *should* kill th...

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Lots of good can happen under the Republicans if people fight for it.

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So vote Democrat and encourage nobody else to? That seems pointless.

There's a long history of the "election the Democrats then fight" strategy. It doesn't work. And it wastes an opportunity to call the Democrats out for who they are.

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"What are these "mass movements" meant to me achieving (exactly)?" Depends on what they fight for. "And in the interim (assuming that the "mass movements" can't make this goal happen instantly) what's wrong with picking the lesser of two evils rather than just decr...

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"Vote Democrat to stop the Republicans, but in the meantime keep them the fuck away from any progressive movement-building." How could you possibly campaign for Democrats while keeping them away? This makes absolutely no sense. "The Dems' sabotage of Occupy Wall Street will be nothing...

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"All he seems to be asking is for us to use them once every few years or so to stop the GOP." So ... get them to endorse and campaign for Democrats. How is that *not* getting in bed with Democrats? "IMO the only thing the Democrats are any good for is to act as a bulwark/shield agains...

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Trouble is that it's not momentary. The moment you let the Democrats get their hands on a movement, you kill the movement. In the socialist movement, we refer to the Democratic Party as the "graveyard of social movements." Democrats have a very long history of taking actual radical/populis...

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Beating fascism means building movements independent of the class that creates fascism. The first step to that is to get people to stop relying on the Democrats, because the Democrats kill the movements that could actually stop fascism.

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Do you have an answer to when the Democrats have made a meaningful fight for civil rights? Because the reality is that they did great damage to the civil rights movement by coopting it into channels safe for the system. I don't understand what you're saying. Are you implying that I would have suppor...

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I don't just count labor. Would you like a list of Clinton's war crimes as well? Or a record of her involvement with mass incarceration? When was civil rights a priority for the Democrats? When Bill was creating a prison population of POC larger than the slave population in the 1800s?

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The Democrats have shifted left? In what world? 20 years ago, Clinton would have been a Republican. The Democrats have shifted heavily right. And you know why? Because they know they don't actually have to appeal to voters, so long as huge numbers of people insist on voting for the lesser evil.

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This. I saw through this entire election cycle a man who used the same tactics as fascists first gain the Republican nomination and then win the election. Literally, the only difference was the use of twitter. Actually, there's a pretty huge difference: Hitler lost the election. In fact, people vot...

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Also, no, Clinton didn't create Trump. Decades of neo-liberalism did. Clinton was simply an accomplice in that.

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The Obama presidency led to the Trump presidency. What more of a sign do you want?

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"A lot of people with HIV live normal lives on medicine."

What medicine do you have to prevent liberalism from turning into fascism?

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The primary reason they don't get active is that Democrats kill movements.

I'm not defeatist like you, but that's why I'll never encourage people to vote Dem.

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Well that as well. I'd be more accepting of people voting Clinton if they were activists as well. This was not the case.

My entire life, I've heard people tell me, "I know Democrat X isn't great, but after we elect them, we'll get active!" It never happens.

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The problem is that Clinton wasn't an "imperfect solution." Her politics are the reason Trump happened. Clinton is better than Trump in the same way that having HIV is better than having AIDS. If you have one, you don't double down on it; you try to cure it. The only cure to Clinton/Trump ...

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If you hate Trump's enablers, why vote for his greatest enabler?

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I still don't regret not voting for Clinton.

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And you say that they won't "give you your house", but if you have two people living in a six bedroom house and a six person family living in a one room bedsit and just by chance the two people didn't want to spontaneously offer up their house to the family that no-one would come along an...

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"state ownership of the means of production" Marxists believe in eliminating the state from existence. Some (Leninists, mostly) believe in a transitional period during which the working class takes control of the state and uses it to move towards a stateless society. But the idea that the...

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I have to disagree with you there

But that's because -- as demonstrated by what you wrote in the next paragraph -- you haven't read Marx. What you described isn't Marxist theory. It's a middle school misunderstanding.

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But we've identified the problem - that's done. That's the thing: We haven't. At least, not entirely. The problem lies way deeper than police having power trips. And some folks are realizing this, but it needs to be more widespread. I suspect it has a lot more to do with good ol' fashioned racism i...

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Seize the means of production and it won't be a contest.

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The part where the guy is married, has daughters, and is a fucking schoolteacher is unbelievable. It's an epidemic. They need to figure out a way to screen for this shit. Honestly, it'd be problematic enough if people were defending an older guy and a teenager having a relationship. Like, no, but a...

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Also, you do realize Dork wrote the article in the OP, don't you? And the point of the article wasn't that white people aren't objecting enough to the United Airlines incident, it's that white people aren't giving enough fucks about police brutality until something like the United incident occurs, ...

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it's saying elect different politicians and get the laws changed so society changes. As the author of the article, I can assure you that the article isn't encouraging you to vote for "better" politicians. It's highlighting the nature of class struggle. I'm not creating an "us vs. the...

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Derived Absurdity wrote:Bruce just kicked all out asses in Marxist feminism. He even beat Liszt. Dafuq, Bruce? Is there something you're not telling us?

I took this a while back and got over 90 on Marxist feminism.

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I'm not sure what this guy is trying to say. That Russia is unstable? This seems like a lot of words to make that point.

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They're the type of people who will see a cop raping someone and be like, "Well, you could've consented!"

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CashRules wrote:Word of warning - there used to be a woman who hung around there scamming tourists by selling fake Dolly Parton merchandise and claiming to be Dolly's daughter. Dolly Parton never had any children.

I didn't realize country music fans had any money you could con them out of.

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It's mind-boggling to me how bootlickers think: The multi-billion-dollar company fucked up, so customers should have to pay the price, and should get roughed up if they don't agree with that reasoning. These are the people who brag about how America is a free society, but believe that "Do what ...

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