Best Films of 2015

sikax · Post by **sikax** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:07 pm

Straight Outta Compton
The Revenant
Love & Mercy
Macbeth
Chi-Raq
Ex Machina
The Hateful Eight
Spotlight
Mad Max: Fury Road
Furious 7
Beasts of No Nation
Bone Tomahawk

I feel like I'm forgetting something......

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:12 pm

I have seen four of those.

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:55 pm

feel like I'm forgetting something......

Inside Out

BruceSmith78 · Post by **BruceSmith78** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:48 am

I've seen one of those.

I do plan on seeing Straight Outta Compton, and probably Ex Machina. Maybe The Revenant.

sikax · Post by **sikax** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:50 pm

Which ones have you guys seen?

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:17 am

The Revenant, Ex Machina, The Hateful Eight, and Fury Road. And Inside Out if you had included it.

BruceSmith78 · Post by **BruceSmith78** » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:48 am

Mad Max

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:05 pm

sikax wrote:
The Revenant
Ex Machina
The Hateful Eight
Spotlight
Mad Max: Fury Road
Furious 7

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That's what I've seen.

Derived Absurdity wrote:The Revenant, Ex Machina, The Hateful Eight, and Fury Road. And Inside Out if you had included it.

I think it was him who said he didn't like animated movies hence my

when I posted it

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:00 pm

Why doesn't sikax like animated movies? He should like animated movies.

sikax · Post by **sikax** » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:41 pm

Sikax never said he didn't like animated movies. He does like animated movies.

But I still haven't seen Inside Out.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:34 am

Okay, at least one of you is lying.

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:05 am

Derived Absurdity wrote:Okay, at least one of you is lying.

Or misremembering. I know someone on this board said they didn't go for them.

BruceSmith78 · Post by **BruceSmith78** » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:07 pm

Sikax loves Rango, so he just likes really bad animated movies.

sikax · Post by **sikax** » Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:26 pm

Har har har

Anakin McFly · Post by **Anakin McFly** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:20 pm

The only one I've seen is Inside Out.

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:19 pm

Anakin McFly wrote:The only one I've seen is Inside Out.

I can't help but feel that's a bit too on the nose for a trans...

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Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:05 pm

Rango was awesome.

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:19 pm

Derived Absurdity wrote:Rango was awesome.

It was ok.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:47 pm

Nope.

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:50 am

Derived Absurdity wrote:Nope.

You misspelled yep.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:07 am

Nope.

BruceSmith78 · Post by **BruceSmith78** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:21 am

All I remember about Rango was that it wasn't funny, like not at all, and I didn't give a shit about any of the characters. I think it was a pretty stupid plot too, but I don't remember the plot.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:23 am

The animation was good. I don't remember the plot.

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:06 pm

Derived Absurdity wrote:The animation was good. I don't remember the plot.

Here's your problem.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:14 pm

I don't care about plot very much, though.

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:17 pm

Derived Absurdity wrote:I don't care about plot very much, though.

I'd rather have decent animation and a good plot than good animation and a poor plot (Ex: Strange Magic, The Good Dinosaur to a lesser extent).

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:35 pm

Rango's animation was actually more than good; it was amazing. I think plot in movies is lesser to a lot of things (pacing, tone, story, choreography, etc.), all of which Rango IIRC was good-to-great at.

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:06 pm

Derived Absurdity wrote:Rango's animation was actually more than good; it was amazing. I think plot in movies is lesser to a lot of things (pacing, tone, story, choreography, etc.), all of which Rango IIRC was good-to-great at.

I rolled pacing, tone, story, etc. into plot, all of which I found forgettable.

sikax · Post by **sikax** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:50 pm

Unvoiced_Apollo wrote:I rolled pacing, tone, story, etc. into plot

Unvoiced_Apollo wrote:all of which I found forgettable.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:56 pm

Yeah, you can't roll pacing, tone, and story into plot.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:58 pm

Did I say "choreography"? Lol, I'm dumb.

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:21 am

Derived Absurdity wrote:Yeah, you can't roll pacing, tone, and story into plot.

I sent it, and it's done, so I did do that

BruceSmith78 · Post by **BruceSmith78** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:52 am

I didn't notice anything special about Rango's animation. I guess I don't care about that sort of thing though. I'd rather be entertained.

What's the difference between story and plot?

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:21 am

There's a universe of difference between story and plot. The plot in a movie is just all the physical events that happen, and the story is what those events are actually about. The plot is how the story of the movie is told.

A good illustration is the difference between a plot-heavy movie where a lot of events happen but they don't thread together to tell a meaningful story (the best example I can think of is the Transformers movies) and a story-heavy movie where there's a lot of meaningful themes and story beats but not a lot of actual events (the archetypal example IMO is Fury Road). Not a lot happens in that movie plot-wise, but every single thing that does happen serves the story the movie is telling a hundred times better than anything in Transformers.

Another great recent example of amazing storytelling while keeping light on plot is Two Days, One Night.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:26 am

A good difference is that the plot is what happens (the sequence of causal events), and the story is why they happen. If those two don't line up well enough, you got yourself a bad movie (where a bunch of stuff happens but none of it means anything).

Post by **Gendo** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:26 pm

What you guys are calling story is what I've always called theme. Is that another accurate term for it?

I would also describe it in terms of movies that are just about the characters. Movies like Children of Men. I would call the plot the stuff about a woman who is pregnant in a world where no one can get pregnant. But the movie is about the main character, and how he changes from the beginning to the end. The world it's in is just a world for that change to take place in; it's not the focus of the movie.

BruceSmith78 · Post by **BruceSmith78** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:10 pm

Yeah, what DA is calling "story" is what I was taught is the theme in high school literature classes.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:20 pm

Not really. The theme is the ideas the story presents. The story is the narrative. The plot is the backbone of the narrative, how it's told.

BruceSmith78 · Post by **BruceSmith78** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:42 pm

Well, I'm lost then, and still don't think I get the difference between story and plot. Or I don't get the difference between theme and story. That's probably why I never liked high school literature classes. I wanted to read just to get lost and escape from the real world, not to dissect shit and think about symbolism (which usually went right over my head even if I tried to figure it out).

That's also how I judge movies. If it sucks me in and makes me forget the real world, or makes me believe the movie is the real world for a while, or something like that, then it's good. Rango didn't do that for me, so it sucked. Not a very high brow analysis, but I think high brow is overrated sometimes.

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:54 pm

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:58 pm

Another plot-heavy, story-light movie: Boyhood. Did a lot happen in that movie? Yes, a lot of events happen. If you wrote a summary of the movie, it could be long. Did any of them actually mean anything? Nope, not a single fucking thing. Which is why it was such agony to sit through. On a deeper level, that's why everyone keeps saying "nothing happened" during that movie.

sikax · Post by **sikax** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:06 pm

DA's right, despite his taste in movies.

EDIT: Save Rango

Unvoiced_Apollo · Post by **Unvoiced_Apollo** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:29 am

sikax wrote: EDIT: Save Rango

Yes, I agree Rango needs saving.

BruceSmith78 · Post by **BruceSmith78** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:59 am

That video helped explain plot and story. Now if I could remember what Rango's story was. Some dumb lizard nobody cared about learned something, I guess.

sikax · Post by **sikax** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:05 am

Derived Absurdity · Post by **Derived Absurdity** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:44 am

This is making me want to watch Rango again.