We need to genocide at least 90% of Religion board posters

[Cassius Clay]

Yeah...I was flabbergasted by the argument. I kept rereading it, trying to make sense of it. What I'm not surprised by is the thinking behind it. He wants to undermine the accountability of racists by trying to imply that it's almost reasonable/understandable that they're racist because they don't have enough information to disprove racism. Eva has subtly and more intelligently done a similar thing. Saying that the primary cause of racism is "hasty generalizations" from small samples(rather than selective bias from preconceived notions and social backing) makes racists almost seem reasonable. Like "you can't really blame people for anti-blackness if they're only experiences with black people are negative." It causes you to lose sight of the powers that make people want to lean towards racism and it subtly shifts the burden on black people to not make people naturally make negative generalizations.

Worov is ridiculous. I want to like him because he's practically a saint compared to most of that board now. Then he reminds you that he can really be a jackass.

[aels]

And here comes Captaind Devil's Advocate, Eva! Jesus Christ..

https://twitter.com/keithcalder/status/ ... 1594238976

I use this a lot but it's often relevant.

[Derived Absurdity]

Eva has subtly and more intelligently done a similar thing. Saying that the primary cause of racism is "hasty generalizations" from small samples(rather than selective bias from preconceived notions and social backing) makes racists almost seem reasonable. Like "you can't really blame people for anti-blackness if they're only experiences with black people are negative." It causes you to lose sight of the powers that make people want to lean towards racism and it subtly shifts the burden on black people to not make people naturally make negative generalizations.

Indeed. I couldn't really word what I felt the problem with his comment was. If nothing else it was really reductive and trivializing and it erased the significant social factors which help reinforce racism by pretending the problem primarily just stems from some innocent fallacy everyone is guilty of. He is right, I think, about race being the primary characteristic everyone categorizes each other as as opposed to other things. I read a while ago, I don't know if it's true, that Charles Manson got arrested early in his life and spent several months/years in prison getting continuously raped by black guys, which caused him to be racist for the rest of his life. That's the kind of thing miccee presumably thinks he's talking about... that you can't call Charles Manson racist because he's just innocently generalizing from his experience and that he doesn't have "sociological evidence" to disprove it or whatever. But why did Manson choose to generalize by race? Why didn't he become bigoted against all men? Or all prisoners? Or all people 18-35 years old (or whatever the age range was)? Why did he go with race? It's probably a mixture of his preconceived racial biases being "strengthened" by his personal experiences and societal pressures to group people along that axis... which Eva and miccee would just jot down to the "hasty generalization fallacy" and nothing more, covering up the problem.

[Derived Absurdity]

Okay... I think I need to calm down now.