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Raxivace wrote:58. Going My Way (1944) - First Leo McCarey I've seen. I think it's mostly just a solid drama film, though I was more into the first half where the hip young preacher Bing was going around helping kids and such (Though I wasn't a fan of his atheist bashing). The second half of the film with all of the performances of the titular song just kind of loses me though.
Going My Way was OK, but if it's your first McCarey you really need to watch Duck Soup, The Awful Truth, and Make Way for Tomorrow. They're all much, much better.
I do plan on getting to those eventually! Actually, I didn't even realize McCarey had directed a Best Picture winner until a few days ago when I acquired this one.
Eva Yojimbo wrote:I exercise at home while watching TV (usually whatever dippy sit-com is on at the time), but no way am I going to watch movies while working out! Movie watching is a full-attention super-serious activity. You should know better and feel shame for making that suggestion. SHAME! :|
Ha, I kid, I kid.

Reminds me of a guy I knew who didn't like The Revenant. I asked him how he saw it, and he told me he watched it on his iPhone. He was a good guy but I David Lynch'd at him for watching a film like that.
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:
Raxivace wrote:58. Going My Way (1944) - First Leo McCarey I've seen. I think it's mostly just a solid drama film, though I was more into the first half where the hip young preacher Bing was going around helping kids and such (Though I wasn't a fan of his atheist bashing). The second half of the film with all of the performances of the titular song just kind of loses me though.
Going My Way was OK, but if it's your first McCarey you really need to watch Duck Soup, The Awful Truth, and Make Way for Tomorrow. They're all much, much better.
I do plan on getting to those eventually! Actually, I didn't even realize McCarey had directed a Best Picture winner until a few days ago when I acquired this one.
Eva Yojimbo wrote:I exercise at home while watching TV (usually whatever dippy sit-com is on at the time), but no way am I going to watch movies while working out! Movie watching is a full-attention super-serious activity. You should know better and feel shame for making that suggestion. SHAME! :|
Ha, I kid, I kid.

Reminds me of a guy I knew who didn't like The Revenant. I asked him how he saw it, and he told me he watched it on his iPhone. He was a good guy but I David Lynch'd at him for watching a film like that.
McCarey himself said he won for the wrong film; that it should've been Make Way for Tomorrow. In case you don't know, Tokyo Story was basically a remake of that film. Tokyo Story is superior, of course, but mostly just because of the formal brilliance; MWFT is just as moving.

I want to hear more about how you "David Lynch'd" him, and how in the world you turned "David Lynch" into a verb! [gonemad] It does amaze me though that people think it's acceptable to watch films on a phone. I kinda get doing it on a flight or something where there's no access to a TV, but even there I'd insist on only watching stuff like comedies that aren't about visuals and sound.
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:McCarey himself said he won for the wrong film; that it should've been Make Way for Tomorrow. In case you don't know, Tokyo Story was basically a remake of that film. Tokyo Story is superior, of course, but mostly just because of the formal brilliance; MWFT is just as moving.
Actually, I did know that but its why I haven't watched it yet. You see, Tokyo Story is next on my list of Ozu to watch but I never could decide whether to just watch that first or MWFT and as a result of analysis paralysis I never watched either. I was afraid that watching one too close to the other would drain the second one of its emotional power.
I want to hear more about how you "David Lynch'd" him, and how in the world you turned "David Lynch" into a verb! [gonemad] It does amaze me though that people think it's acceptable to watch films on a phone. I kinda get doing it on a flight or something where there's no access to a TV, but even there I'd insist on only watching stuff like comedies that aren't about visuals and sound.
IIRC I just yelled a bunch of obscenities and probably linked to Lynch's own comment about it.

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After a looong time, I watched a movie. My first foray into the films of Kaurismaki: The Man Without A Past. It turned out to be surprisingly wonderful in a way I didn't quite expect. I say that because Kaurismaki's formalism reminded me initially of none other than Bresson: the wooden, stilted acting, the static, slow paced shots and a story that begins with a man who loses his identity after he gets ruthlessly clobbered by random thugs (typical Bresson bleakness). But, over the course of the movie, I realized that Kaurisma is what Bresson could have been if he had chilled the fuck out about his existential shit and let some color and music into his outlook. Because, beneath the dark social commentary on the working class experience, Kaurismaki actually has fun (and is certainly a lot more optimistic). In fact, I'm genuinely surprised at how funny the dialogue was, enhanced by the perfect deadpan, matter-of-fact delivery by the actors (my favorite must have been that whole episode around the bank robbery, but literally all of the humor worked for me). I guess it's been so long since I've seen a film by an auteur that this one really left an impression.
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I haven't seen any of Kaurismaki's films, but man I can't even imagine what a chilled out version of Bresson would even be like.
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We're just gonna murder this poor donkey, but like casually...
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Raxivace wrote:We're just gonna murder this poor donkey, but like casually...
[biggrin]

The donkey eventually finds an owner who doesn't murder him... because not every human is murderous filth.

Also, diegetic music.
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Saw another Kaurismaki film, Drifting Clouds, which I also happen to really like. The beats of the plot were familiar but dammit if Kaurismaki didn't bring his unique flavor to it. I'm amazed at how much mileage he draws from his actor's subdued facial expressions, which are muted compared to the modern Hollywood standard but noticeably more animated than those in Bresson's films. Where Bresson liked his 'models' to look soulless and empty, Kaurismaki clearly has a different idea in mind and he aims for the heart but without any overbearing sentimentality. I really like this director.
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60. The Shape of Water (2017) - Del Toro is doing some weird things here and its great. The postmodern hodgepodge nature is so cool. The actual fishman of the movie recalls The Creature of the Black Lagoon (If not outright supposed to be the same being, as we're told he was captured in South America). The period piece elements and the aquatic retrofuturism heavily recalls the setting of Rapture from the BioShock games. Even some of the casting does this- Octavia Specer's character recalls, of all films, Hidden Figures and Michael Shannon's religious, white all-American straight-edge villain recalls the similar character he played on Boardwalk Empire (He's even going after Michael Stuahlbarg who was in the same show, though he's playing a very different character than his Arnold Rothstein). I'm not sure if Sally Hawkins' casting is supposed to evoke any particular film, but her performance is quite good here.

Yet all of that, interestingly enough, is in service of a pretty straightforward love story. It's cool and good.
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61. Phantom Thread (2017) - If I have to give credit to PTA for anything, its that this time I'm going to think for a while about whether I even liked this film or not. That's not necessarily some kind of snark against it, its just odder than I expected. It does this strange You think this movie is A but then you think its B but it turns out it was actually A this whole time but A is even weirder than you thought it was at first structure, which is interesting but I'm not even sure if it works or not. Production design with all of the dresses and so on was on point at least.

This isn't even a real post, I'll probably come up with some more thoughts later.
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maz89 wrote:After a looong time, I watched a movie. My first foray into the films of Kaurismaki: The Man Without A Past... Drifting Clouds
Haven't seen either of these, but the only Kaurismaki film I've seen that I rather liked was Match Factory Girl, and even it was only like a 7.5/10. I do feel though like we've just "missed" with each other, because I appreciate a lot of what Kaurismaki is doing in all the films I've seen, but none have quite come together as a whole to make something more than the sum of the parts. What I really appreciate about Match Factory Girl was how condensed it was; almost silent-film-esque in how much Kaurismaki was able to communicate with so little and how there were no extraneous scenes or moments. But it's one I admired more than I really felt. I do appreciate his extremely dry and rather dark sense of humor. I get the Bresson comparison, but beyond the formal strategies they do have very different temperaments.
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:McCarey himself said he won for the wrong film; that it should've been Make Way for Tomorrow. In case you don't know, Tokyo Story was basically a remake of that film. Tokyo Story is superior, of course, but mostly just because of the formal brilliance; MWFT is just as moving.
Actually, I did know that but its why I haven't watched it yet. You see, Tokyo Story is next on my list of Ozu to watch but I never could decide whether to just watch that first or MWFT and as a result of analysis paralysis I never watched either. I was afraid that watching one too close to the other would drain the second one of its emotional power.
I'd recommend watching Tokyo Story first. For one, I'm guessing 99% of people born after MWFT would've seen Tokyo Story first anyway; for another, I think MWFT is more of a pleasant surprise coming to it from Tokyo Story. I'm thinking doing the reverse might dull the affect of Tokyo Story more than the reverse would.
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I want to hear more about how you "David Lynch'd" him, and how in the world you turned "David Lynch" into a verb! [gonemad] It does amaze me though that people think it's acceptable to watch films on a phone. I kinda get doing it on a flight or something where there's no access to a TV, but even there I'd insist on only watching stuff like comedies that aren't about visuals and sound.
IIRC I just yelled a bunch of obscenities and probably linked to Lynch's own comment about it.

[biggrin] Gotcha.
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Cool, I'll check out Tokyo Story first.

Actually, since making that post I bought those two Eclipse Ozu sets during the last Criterion flash sale. I might get around to those first before I do Tokyo Story, though we'll see what happens.
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62. The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) - A mostly solid post-war film about soldiers coming home and readapting to society. Like Wyler's previous Best Picture Winner, Mrs. Minniver, I think this is more of a film about an important subject than necessarily a good film. Still, the performances are solid and the script good. The standout is probably the somewhat ironically named Homer, played by a real life amputee, who struggles with having lost both of his hands.The best scene is probably the one in the plane graveyard at the end.

It's not a film I had ultimately had very strong feelings about. It's a Wonderful Life was also nominated for Best Picture and while I can understand not wanting to reward a Capra movie for a Best Picture a third time it's one I ultimately like better, even as a post-war story even if it isn't quite as directly about it as Best Years of Our Lives is.

63. The Balloonatic (1923) - Oddly enough, little of this movie has to do with balloons. Buster starts in a funhouse of sorts, confuses a nearby hot air balloon being prepared by the Geographical Society as another attractions, floats away in it before shooting a bird on the balloon, and then crashes in the forest where the rest of the short is a weird little survival story where Buster catches fish and briefly fights a bear all to impress a woman who happened to be here.

It's fun for what it is. I like the gag at the beginning where Buster puts his coat over a mud puddle only for a car to pull up over it and the girl to get in. There's another good gag at the end that seems to predict Wiley E. Coyote- Buster and his girl are sailing down a river on a canoe but oh no there's a waterfall! They're going to fall to their deaths! Except instead of sailing down they magically seem to keep continuing down through mid-air…and we quickly see that the repaired air balloon is attached to the canoe, cleverly bringing that back into play.

64. Circle (2015) - Not the Tom Hanks movie. This one is about a 50 strangers who wake up in a strange circular room, and every two or so minutes so they're forced to vote who has to die next.

It starts out well enough, though by the end it becomes this weird pro-conservative movie about well actually fetuses are human, only assholes would kill them and that's unfortunate for what otherwise works decently as a horror/somewhat sci-fi psychothriller in the vein of stuff like Cube and Exam.

65. Gentleman's Agreement (1947) - This movie has its heart in the right place, socially at least. Gregory Peck is a writer for magazine that wants to get the scoop on anti-Semitism, and his great plan for doing this is by pretending to be Jewish…though it turns out to be far more difficult than he imagined, as he learns about bigotry that had been invisible to him before now.

Dramatically this is pretty didactic, and I can't help but feel that as often that Peck says something in the movie like “WELL AS A JEWISH PERSON I FEEL SO AND SO" it should just make others, in reality, suspect he isn't actually Jewish and is just lying for some reason. I appreciate the attempt at not giving America a pass for this stuff even right after World War II (And the movie rightfully goes after people disgusted by bigotry but who choose to say or do anything)…but that doesn't make for the most complex pr interesting drama in the world. It's not a bad film by any means, though perhaps considering how recent events have gone in America it's still relevant.

Also this movie does make Elia Kazan more puzzling of a figure to me, considering its themes about standing for people even if they believe different things than you and against institutional bigotry, when shortly after this movie was made Kazan would rather traitorously name names to HUAC. I'm not familiar with the novel this film is based on, but perhaps those themes were simply entirely imported for there.
The only other nominee I've seen from this year is Crossfire, which wasn't one of my favorite movies in the world but it was a little more subtle than this one (And benefits from not only addressing anti-Semitism explicitly, but in coded terms talking about homophobia as well).

66. Zora Neale Hurston Fieldwork Footage (1928) - This is only about six or so minutes long, but its documentary footage of various African-Americans working and engaging in social activity together. Hurston is an interesting figure, particularly as one of the first Africa-American female film directors, but this short is really only for people with historical interest in the subject.
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Raxivace wrote:Actually, since making that post I bought those two Eclipse Ozu sets during the last Criterion flash sale. I might get around to those first before I do Tokyo Story, though we'll see what happens.
One of those Eclipse sets is all the films he did AFTER Tokyo Story, though. No reason to see those first; though Ozu isn't a director in which chronology matters a lot (at least once you get into his "domestic drama" late phase).
Raxivace wrote:62. The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)
I remember really liking that one, probably more than you. Every Wyler film I've seen has been really... classy is the best word I can think of. I do think, though, that both Best Years and Mrs. Miniver are a bit strained by their subject matter--the classic equivalent of "Oscar bait" where everyone involved was too weighed down by how important they felt the films were. I actually like Wyler a bit better in the films where there was a bit more ease and less gravitas to them: Dodsworth and Roman Holiday come first to mind. Funny Girl is also delightful and Jezebel is an interesting precursor to Gone with the Wind.
Raxivace wrote:63. The Balloonatic (1923)
I remember this being one of the Buster shorts I wasn't too fond of. It seemed strangely dull for him.
Raxivace wrote:65. Gentleman's Agreement (1947)
On my shortlist for the worst BP winners ever. What you said about it being didactic was true to an extremely annoying degree to me. It felt more like a PSA than an actual film.
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:
Raxivace wrote:Actually, since making that post I bought those two Eclipse Ozu sets during the last Criterion flash sale. I might get around to those first before I do Tokyo Story, though we'll see what happens.
One of those Eclipse sets is all the films he did AFTER Tokyo Story, though. No reason to see those first; though Ozu isn't a director in which chronology matters a lot (at least once you get into his "domestic drama" late phase).
Oh shit I didn't even realize there was a third set I didn't get. I bought the Crime Dramas set and the Silent Comedies one.
Eva_Yojimbo wrote:I remember really liking that one, probably more than you. Every Wyler film I've seen has been really... classy is the best word I can think of. I do think, though, that both Best Years and Mrs. Miniver are a bit strained by their subject matter--the classic equivalent of "Oscar bait" where everyone involved was too weighed down by how important they felt the films were. I actually like Wyler a bit better in the films where there was a bit more ease and less gravitas to them: Dodsworth and Roman Holiday come first
Yeah it sounds like you liked BYYOOL more than I did. I've almost watched Roman Holiday a few times (Particularly when that Dalton Trumbo biopic was new) but have never gone through with it for some reason.
Eva_Yojimbo wrote:On my shortlist for the worst BP winners ever. What you said about it being didactic was true to an extremely annoying degree to me. It felt more like a PSA than an actual film.
It's definitely toward the bottom for me though I'd at least watch it again before like Cavalcade.

Then again I'd probably watch Crash again before Cavalcade.
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67. Boy (1969, Dir. Nagisa Oshima) - I had this on my DVR for the longest time and watched it on a whim today. A family of four cons people out of their money, alienating their oldest son in the process. The basic plot here is pretty straightforward, though formally I find this movie very strange at times beyond just the kind of New Wave-y city settings. There's a scene at the beginning for the film, for example, where a family has pulled their “jump into a moving car" scam and have taken a the driver of the vehicle inside to interrogate him, though the way the shot is framed makes it look like a man is almost but not quite cut entirely out of the frame on the far left here.

We see this kind of framing again later on, where a manager of a…hotel IIRC, criticizes the stepmother as she talks on the phone, but is still only barely onscreen, again on the far left. She almost blends in with the scenery itself.

Other parts of the movie use some silent-era-esque tinting. Some of it seems weird, like this shot where the boy is walking with his stepmother that's just tinted blue for some reason I'm not quite seeing yet. A later part of the movie uses it during a snowy scene (Which IIRC seems more in line with how silents would have actually used such a tint, to depict cold). Another particularly violent scene in an apartment toward the end of the film goes through at least two different tints before settling on regular Eastmancolor (This is a long segment so I only chose a few illustrative shots).

https://i.imgur.com/fKi63Us.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8IUAhDo.jpg

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I'm not entirely sure I understand these decisions, but they're interesting ones.

On the other hand there are times where the movie's shots are very clearly tied to the main character's subjective perception, and follow some very clear classical filmmaking norms. In this following sequence where the oldest boy of the family is forced to wear his mother's glasses as a part of their scams and can't see his father clearly as a result.

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The last shot is weird on its own, but clearly tied to the glasses that the boy can't properly see through.

There's also the film's end where the boy, after being apprehended by the police, thinks back on the “alien" snowman he made for his brother, but can't help but associate it with a woman who died in a snowy car crash (Ironically not caused by the family trying to pull a scam however, but merely being careless and not paying attention to the youngest son wandering into the road). He then finally begins to admit to what his family had been doing after previously having been uncooperative.

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The red boot of the “alien" here of course evokes the blood in the snow, as the editing suggests, though in my view it also evokes the design flag of Japan as the lingering effects of war (Particularly through the father character, who was injured and traumatized while fighting China specifically) are a running theme of the film.

Really odd movie, especially compared to these Oscar winners I've been watching lately. You can also probably tell I was reading too much Bordwell again the night before I watched Boy this morning.

68. All the King's Men (1949, Dir. Robert Rossen) - A mostly decent drama (Wikipedia calls it a noir though I'm not sure I agree) about the rise and fall of a corrupt politician. It feels pretty standard, and pretty hard not to compare on a script level to Citizen Kane (Which I think still has it beat here). It's a perfectly decent film, but another one I just don't have any particularly strong feelings about.

Haven't seen any of the other BP nominees this year.
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Raxivace wrote:Oh shit I didn't even realize there was a third set I didn't get. I bought the Crime Dramas set and the Silent Comedies one.
Late films are probably better seen via the BFI blu-rays anyway.
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Eva_Yojimbo wrote:On my shortlist for the worst BP winners ever. What you said about it being didactic was true to an extremely annoying degree to me. It felt more like a PSA than an actual film.
It's definitely toward the bottom for me though I'd at least watch it again before like Cavalcade.

Then again I'd probably watch Crash again before Cavalcade.
Now I really need to see Cavalcade! [biggrin]
Raxivace wrote:67. Boy (1969, Dir. Nagisa Oshima)
I've seen quite a bit of Oshima, but not this one. He very much seems to me an experimental formalist, a bit of a Japanese Godard but not often as intrusive. Every film I've seen has had a radically different stylistic (and often narrative) approach. My one problem with him is that, much like you, I often feel these experimental touches are arbitrary as opposed to meaningfully intentional. In fact, the only film of his I think wholly works is In the Realm of the Senses as its surreal moments are very much connected to the narrative. Interesting and talented filmmaker, though from that period I vastly prefer Imamura (so far anyway).

Nice job with the screen shot analysis. I tended to do the same after reading Bordwell. [yes]
Raxivace wrote:68. All the King's Men (1949, Dir. Robert Rossen) - A mostly decent drama (Wikipedia calls it a noir though I'm not sure I agree) about the rise and fall of a corrupt politician. It feels pretty standard, and pretty hard not to compare on a script level to Citizen Kane (Which I think still has it beat here). It's a perfectly decent film, but another one I just don't have any particularly strong feelings about.
I quite liked that one. I thought it one of the best depictions I'd seen about the progress from good, idealistic people's champion to corrupt politician. I didn't think much of CK for a few reasons, one being that CK was about more than political corruption, but the structure/approaches were just completely different in general.
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Fell off with movie watching a bit because I've been playing Witcher 3, though I have a couple that were backlogged.

69. Bad Girls Go to Hell (1965, Dir. Doris Wishman) - This is a weird one. While its ostensibly a low budget sexploitation film, it's not really an erotic film either as it really does seem like Wishman's interests are more in using sexual violence to turn living in the city in a personal hell for the female protagonist. She is raped twice by the janitor of her apartment building in the first fifteen or so minutes of this movie, and after killing her rapist she flees, only to encounter more trouble on the way from other people along the way she seeks help from. There's a twist ending where it was all a dream…until she steps outside of her apartment and gets attacked by the same janitor she was dreaming of.

I've seen some people online compare it to Lost Highway, though it kind of reminded me more of something like Carnival of Souls with its sense of fatalism (Though the supernatural elements aren't quite as overt here until the end).

On a lighter note I found a funny interview clip with Wishman from an old Conan O'Brien episode, where she's alongside Roger Ebert appropriately enough.



70. All About Eve (1950, Dir. Joseph Mankiewicz) - Real strong performances here. The direction being a little stagey might be an issue for some, though it at least fits for a movie about a theater. The movie kind of reminds me of In a Lonely Place and Sunset Boulevard too, in that they're also about the darker sides of people who make art.

I also can't help but wonder if Hitchcock was thinking of this film when he cast Thelma Ritter in Rear Window. Also, of the nominees of this year the only other one I had seen is Sunset Boulevard which I liked better.

71. An American in Paris (1951, Dir. Vincent Minelli) - Mostly just a fun musical with good work done by Gene Kelley (Who I don't see enough of in my film watching, I feel). The famous 17 minute dance number at the end sure is something. I'm hardly the first person to point this out, but it's kind of interesting that this is the first spectacle film to break up what had been a fairly long trek of more serious Best Picture Winners, from around The Lost Weekend or so up until All About Eve.

I haven't seen any of the other BP nominees this year.

72. Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (2003, Dir. Peter Weir) - Don't have a whole lot to say about this one but it was a pretty enthralling aquatic experience. I thought the whole Galapagos Island subplot was kind of a weird inclusion with the Dr. Watson-esque character almost beating Darwin to the theory of evolution, though the payoff in the ending battle was neat.

It's really weird to think of this movie only being about 15 years old now, because it feels pretty far removed from a lot of the action films that are getting made today.
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Bad Girls Go to Hell sounds interesting. I'll have to check out the clip of her and Ebert on Conan.
Raxivace wrote:70. All About Eve (1950, Dir. Joseph Mankiewicz) - Real strong performances here. The direction being a little stagey might be an issue for some, though it at least fits for a movie about a theater. The movie kind of reminds me of In a Lonely Place and Sunset Boulevard too, in that they're also about the darker sides of people who make art.

I also can't help but wonder if Hitchcock was thinking of this film when he cast Thelma Ritter in Rear Window. Also, of the nominees of this year the only other one I had seen is Sunset Boulevard which I liked better.
I love AAE, and the stagey-ness doesn't bother me in the slightest; not when something's written and performed that well, and not in a film about the theater. It's pretty much one of those films I consider essentially perfect for what it is and could only have been made better with a bit more stylish direction. I definitely prefer In a Lonely Place, but I actually prefer AAE to Sunset Boulevard, which is one film whose acclaim I've never really understood even though I've seen it twice. For Wilder dramas, Ace in the Hole is so much better.
Raxivace wrote:71. An American in Paris (1951, Dir. Vincent Minelli) - Mostly just a fun musical with good work done by Gene Kelley (Who I don't see enough of in my film watching, I feel). The famous 17 minute dance number at the end sure is something. I'm hardly the first person to point this out, but it's kind of interesting that this is the first spectacle film to break up what had been a fairly long trek of more serious Best Picture Winners, from around The Lost Weekend or so up until All About Eve.

I haven't seen any of the other BP nominees this year.
Apart from Meet Me in St. Louis, which is in my Top 30, what I've remembered from all of VincentE MinNelli's (color) films have been the rhapsodic beauty in both the visual textures and the staging; same with An American in Paris. I love how his films leave more abstract impressions similar to music, so I guess he was kinda the perfect director to be making musicals!
Raxivace wrote:72. Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (2003, Dir. Peter Weir) - Don't have a whole lot to say about this one but it was a pretty enthralling aquatic experience. I thought the whole Galapagos Island subplot was kind of a weird inclusion with the Dr. Watson-esque character almost beating Darwin to the theory of evolution, though the payoff in the ending battle was neat.

It's really weird to think of this movie only being about 15 years old now, because it feels pretty far removed from a lot of the action films that are getting made today.
From what I've heard the Galapagos Island stuff, as well as all the more philosophical dialogue on the boat, was really closest to the focus/tone of the book, while the film focused more on the action. I honestly can't even fault it for it because it's simply the best at-sea action/adventure film I've ever seen. Hope your sound system was up to snuff for it! Those cannons pack a sonic wallop, and all the nuanced creaks and croaks they put into the surround mixing really provided a "you are there" immersion. I agree with you about it standing out in regards to modern action films, but Peter Weir is also a superior director in general. Check out his Picnic at Hanging Rock if you haven't; it's a completely different kind of film (more a moody, existential mystery), but you can at least see his command over atmosphere.
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:Bad Girls Go to Hell sounds interesting. I'll have to check out the clip of her and Ebert on Conan.
I should warn you that the acting in BGGTH is honestly pretty bad even by the era's standards, something that is also an issue in Carnival of Souls. Still the rough cinematic style and the rough subject matter makes Wishman's work interesting.
Eva_Yojimbo wrote:I definitely prefer In a Lonely Place, but I actually prefer AAE to Sunset Boulevard, which is one film whose acclaim I've never really understood even though I've seen it twice. For Wilder dramas, Ace in the Hole is so much better.
Sunset Boulevard is good because it has a ghost complaining about Hollywood, and the film history stuff in it is fun. Ace in the Hole is good and all, but are there are any ghosts and Buster Keaton cameos? NO. There wouldn't even be room for such things in that mineshaft.

Speaking of Sunset Boulevard, watch Twin Peaks season 3.
Eva_Yojimbo wrote:Apart from Meet Me in St. Louis, which is in my Top 30, what I've remembered from all of VincentE MinNelli's
Uh I went with an alternative spelling of his name, that I invented. You've just exposed your own ignorance by not knowing that!!!!!!!
/(color) films have been the rhapsodic beauty in both the visual textures and the staging; same with An American in Paris. I love how his films leave more abstract impressions similar to music, so I guess he was kinda the perfect director to be making musicals!
This was actually my first of his films. Definitely looking forward to seeing more of them.
Eva_Yojimbo wrote:From what I've heard the Galapagos Island stuff, as well as all the more philosophical dialogue on the boat, was really closest to the focus/tone of the book, while the film focused more on the action. I honestly can't even fault it for it because it's simply the best at-sea action/adventure film I've ever seen.
Yeah it's not that I'm complaining about that stuff, its just an odd inclusion for a film I expected to solely be about naval combat (Though I can understand that stuff having more of an emphasis in the book).
Hope your sound system was up to snuff for it! Those cannons pack a sonic wallop, and all the nuanced creaks and croaks they put into the surround mixing really provided a "you are there" immersion.
Even with my cheap headphones I found it pretty engrossing. Phenomenal foley work.
I agree with you about it standing out in regards to modern action films, but Peter Weir is also a superior director in general. Check out his Picnic at Hanging Rock if you haven't; it's a completely different kind of film (more a moody, existential mystery), but you can at least see his command over atmosphere.
Haven't seen it yet, though I've been curious about Picnic at Hanging Rock for a while now since it was a stated influence on one of the better episodes of season 3 of The Leftovers.
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73. The Babadook (2014, Dir. Jennifer Kent) - Yeah I'm late to the party on this one, but it's a really effective movie. It kind of reminds me of mother! of all things, with the whole sense of the safety of home being turned against the female lead. The scary children's book in this film too legitimately spooked me out.

Also did anyone find it ambiguous whether the titular monster was even real? That the movie weirdly goes out of its way to point out that the mother was a writer made me wonder if we're supposed to think that she possible was the one who somehow published Mister Babadook (Or is the book even real? The police station scene where the officer goffs at the mom saying she burned the book as if it were a convenient lie she was telling is intriguing to think about, especially since she sees the cloak and hat in that scene as a sign of the Babadook himself), and that if she's somehow crazy whatever is causing her issues is also inflecting her son. Its not like any other characters besides those two ever actually see the creature.

74. It Follows (2014, Dir. David Robert Mitchell) - This is another interesting horror film I was late to, though I'm not sure how to quite read it. The premise is that a slow moving but unstoppable killer ghost who can take any form will haunt someone, but they can “pass on the ghost" to another person by having sex with them. Also the ghost is invisible to everyone except who it is haunting and who passed on the ghost to that person. If that ghost kills that person, they move back up the chain to whoever passed on the ghost to them, and so on.

I'm guessing the allegory here is for STD's, though that the explanation feels inadequate. Kind of edges close to the conservative “If you have sex you deserve to die" stereotype of like 80's slasher films too. I'd be curious to know what others think of this one.
The Disasterpeace score here really reminded me of their work on the indie video game Fez, which was strange since that was a cutesy game about platforming and puzzle solving, and It Follows really isn't that at all.

75. Day for Night (1973, Dir. Francois Truffaut) - As far as movies about making movies go, it's pretty fun. I do have to agree with much of Jimbo's review that these days its not nearly as demystifying as it once was, that it really resembles making-of behind the scenes DVD features (Another one it reminded me of was the very in-need-of-restoration Let it Be, the documentary film about the production of the album by The Beatles that also chronicles the end of the Fab Four), that Godard's Contempt is the better treatise on filmmaking.

I don't really understand Godard's complaint that it panders to Hollywood though. If anything, the film panders a bit to Godard by including a shot where Truffaut places a book about Godard among books of other cinematic masters like Hitchcock, Rossellini, and Lubitsch. There's also a book about Dreyer in this scene, which clearly must have been included by mistake, or perhaps as a prank of some sort (:P) .
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Raxivace wrote: 74. It Follows (2014, Dir. David Robert Mitchell) - This is another interesting horror film I was late to, though I'm not sure how to quite read it. The premise is that a slow moving but unstoppable killer ghost who can take any form will haunt someone, but they can “pass on the ghost" to another person by having sex with them. Also the ghost is invisible to everyone except who it is haunting and who passed on the ghost to that person. If that ghost kills that person, they move back up the chain to whoever passed on the ghost to them, and so on.

I'm guessing the allegory here is for STD's, though that the explanation feels inadequate. Kind of edges close to the conservative “If you have sex you deserve to die" stereotype of like 80's slasher films too. I'd be curious to know what others think of this one.
The Disasterpeace score here really reminded me of their work on the indie video game Fez, which was strange since that was a cutesy game about platforming and puzzle solving, and It Follows really isn't that at all.
My in-depth review from 2016:
It Follows - For a modern-day horror movie, not bad. Even a little scary.
So I've seen it a second time since. I definitely like it. While the theme of "if you have sex, you deserve to die" is a cliche'd 80s trope; this makes clear reference to that trope while also taking it in a very new direction. The characters themselves work really well; you see the friendships/relationships between them. I like the feel it leaves you with of how these characters have to look over their shoulder for the rest of their lives. It's not a battle you can win; only one you can delay. The actual forms of the ghost felt genuinely scary in a few parts; which is just very rare from horror today. I wouldn't call it a horror masterpiece in the same league as Cabin in the Woods or Get Out, but at least it was fresh and scary.
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Yeah it's at least a different way to tell that kind of story, and while I like the movie and think the character dynamics are all pretty solid it does feel a little more victim blame-y than even some of those 80's movies did. Even the Friday the 13th franchise oscillated between the teens "deserving" to die and Jason being a dark manifestation of puritanical values that needed to be killed. The ghost in It Follows really doesn't seem like it can be read in that kind of way- the victims of the sex curse either need to become victimizers themselves or die. Virginity being the only safety.
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:Bad Girls Go to Hell sounds interesting. I'll have to check out the clip of her and Ebert on Conan.
I should warn you that the acting in BGGTH is honestly pretty bad even by the era's standards, something that is also an issue in Carnival of Souls. Still the rough cinematic style and the rough subject matter makes Wishman's work interesting.
Bad acting usually doesn't bother me if there's something else interesting going on. It can even have its own appeal, like in Zulawski's films.
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Eva_Yojimbo wrote:I definitely prefer In a Lonely Place, but I actually prefer AAE to Sunset Boulevard, which is one film whose acclaim I've never really understood even though I've seen it twice. For Wilder dramas, Ace in the Hole is so much better.
Sunset Boulevard is good because it has a ghost complaining about Hollywood, and the film history stuff in it is fun. Ace in the Hole is good and all, but are there are any ghosts and Buster Keaton cameos? NO. There wouldn't even be room for such things in that mineshaft.

Speaking of Sunset Boulevard, watch Twin Peaks season 3.
[biggrin] I kinda get why Sunset Boulevard would appeal to people, but it just leaves me rather flat. I just don't think Wilder was enough of a visual stylist to make the atmosphere work as well as it should in a film like that.

Twin Peaks is near the top of my list when I get back to films, which should be soon. I'm trying to get through my last playlist one more time before I start back. Maybe a few more weeks... but no guarantees.
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/(color) films have been the rhapsodic beauty in both the visual textures and the staging; same with An American in Paris. I love how his films leave more abstract impressions similar to music, so I guess he was kinda the perfect director to be making musicals!
This was actually my first of his films. Definitely looking forward to seeing more of them.
Since you're a cold-hearted bastard who hates Ghibli, you probably won't be moved to tears like any normal human would be by Judy Garland singing Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas to her baby sister in Meet Me In St. Louis... but I look forward to your reaction anyway.
Raxivace wrote:73. The Babadook (2014, Dir. Jennifer Kent) -
I thought I'd seen this one, but as I looked it up for a refresher I realize it was another 2014 horror film from an unlikely country I'd seen: A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night. I'd recommend that one too. I think I still have Babadook on my Netflix queue.
Raxivace wrote:Day for Night (1973, Dir. Francois Truffaut) -
Seems we agree on this one. Now you need to watch Truffaut's Two English Girls because I'm tired of being the only one that appreciates that masterpiece!
Raxivace wrote:There's also a book about Dreyer in this scene, which clearly must have been included by mistake, or perhaps as a prank of some sort
[angry]

Bordwell wrote a whole book on Dreyer. Bordwell > You. [blah]
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:I thought I'd seen this one, but as I looked it up for a refresher I realize it was another 2014 horror film from an unlikely country I'd seen: A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night. I'd recommend that one too. I think I still have Babadook on my Netflix queue.
I remember hearing people praise A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night, that's one I'll have to get to at some point.
Eva_Yojimbo wrote:Seems we agree on this one. Now you need to watch Truffaut's Two English Girls because I'm tired of being the only one that appreciates that masterpiece!
That's of the few Truffauts I have any particular interest left in seeing (The others being The Bride Wore Black and his Fahrenheit 451 adaptation). I'll get to it at some point.
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Bordwell wrote a whole book on Dreyer. Bordwell > You. [blah]
Yeah well one of Bordwell's favorite Kurosawas was The Most Beautiful, that should be a significant enough of a blow to bring him down to my level. [blah]
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Raxivace wrote:73. The Babadook (2014, Dir. Jennifer Kent) - Yeah I'm late to the party on this one, but it's a really effective movie. It kind of reminds me of mother! of all things, with the whole sense of the safety of home being turned against the female lead. The scary children's book in this film too legitimately spooked me out.
Just purchased the DVD because of this.
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Cool, will be interested to hear what you think.
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:I thought I'd seen this one, but as I looked it up for a refresher I realize it was another 2014 horror film from an unlikely country I'd seen: A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night. I'd recommend that one too. I think I still have Babadook on my Netflix queue.
I remember hearing people praise A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night, that's one I'll have to get to at some point.
TBF, it's more arthouse than horror, but a cool little film nonetheless.
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Eva_Yojimbo wrote:Seems we agree on this one. Now you need to watch Truffaut's Two English Girls because I'm tired of being the only one that appreciates that masterpiece!
That's of the few Truffauts I have any particular interest left in seeing (The others being The Bride Wore Black and his Fahrenheit 451 adaptation). I'll get to it at some point.
You should see Jules et Jim too, if only because it's probably Truffaut's most beloved after 400 Blows. It also makes an interesting companion piece to Two English Girls (both are about love triangles, both were written by the same author). I wasn't a huge fan, but it's one of those quirky ones that can either charm or irritate you depending on how you view it.
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Eva_Yojimbo wrote: [angry]

Bordwell wrote a whole book on Dreyer. Bordwell > You. [blah]
Yeah well one of Bordwell's favorite Kurosawas was The Most Beautiful, that should be a significant enough of a blow to bring him down to my level. [blah]
Nah, even Homer nods.
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Ah I've seen Jules and Jim already. It's been a few years but I did like that one. I do kind of think that Y Tu Mama Tambien covers that particular version of a love triangle story a little better though (Or certainly more explicitly at any rate).
Eva Yojimbo wrote:Nah, even Homer nods.
Exactly, it explains his love of Dreyer. [blah]

For real though I probably should give Vampyr a rewatch at some point. I think I'm likely to come around on that one. Doubt Passion of Joan of Arc will ever work for me though.
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76. A River Called Titas (1973, Dir. Ritwik Ghatak) - I'm not quite sure how to really talk about the movie. It's about the life of the many people in a village and their various failings (The most notable one to me being the boy losing his mother and then being adopted by a less than kind mother who he eventually flees from), and how that village eventually deteriorates over time. Even the Titas itself dries up at the end. It's kind of a convoluted story overall, even if the broader idea of being about village life is clear.

The IMDb trivia page for this film compares it to Robert Altman's Nashville, which I think is pretty apt in that that film also has a lot of characters vaguely connected by being in a similar location.

77. Dry Summer (1963, Dir. Metin Erksan) - A fun little melodrama about two brothers fighting over a woman and water. The older brother wants to dam a river up to prevent a nearby village from getting any water so he can keep their own crops irrigated, believing he has a legal right to do so since the spring the water comes from is on his property*. The younger brother is against it but reluctantly goes along with it until he just can't take it anymore after he's forced to take the fall for a murder the older brother committed. Younger brother gets out of a jail and shit gets real. Best shot here is the the older brother's corpse flowing with the river at the film's end.

*This movie apparently caused Turkish law to be changed and springs were afterwards considered public property and not something that could be privately owned.

78. The Man With the Golden Gun (1974, Dir. Guy Hamilton) - Another really goofy Bond movie, that's largely kind of standard. Christopher Lee is the second most notable thing here as the villain with the three nipples, and his Lady From Shanghai mirror cave he uses to try and trap Bond is fun.

The most notable thing here though is the stereotypical Southern sheriff from Live and Let Die who not only returns, but there's like a 20 minute segment of this film where he teams up with Bond and it becomes a bizarre buddy cop story before the sheriff is just unceremoniously hauled off by the local police. Who was clamoring for this weirdo character to come back?

79. Kiss and Make-Up (1934, Dir. Harlan Thompson) - A minor Cary Grant comedy that's a love square between him, his secretary, a woman who he helps beautify, and her ex-husband.

It's kind of a musical, I guess? Grant actually does some decent singing here, though he's not present for the best song, which is about cornbeef and how delicious it is.

80. The Love- Nest (1923, Dir. Edward F. Cline & Buster Keaton) - Buster's final short of this era, and it's kind of a Mutiny on the Bounty type story that ends up as a dream. Buster gets mad at his girlfriend, flees out to sea, gets saved by the crew of a ship only to find out that the captain is kind of a jerk so Buster flees again. It kind of foreshadows of the boat adventures of The Navigator, and the reveal in the end that not only had Buster been dreaming but that he hadn't even left port on his boat was quite good. It's a decent end to this pre-feature era of Buster's career.
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Raxivace wrote:78. The Man With the Golden Gun (1974, Dir. Guy Hamilton) - Another really goofy Bond movie, that's largely kind of standard. Christopher Lee is the second most notable thing here as the villain with the three nipples, and his Lady From Shanghai mirror cave he uses to try and trap Bond is fun.

The most notable thing here though is the stereotypical Southern sheriff from Live and Let Die who not only returns, but there's like a 20 minute segment of this film where he teams up with Bond and it becomes a bizarre buddy cop story before the sheriff is just unceremoniously hauled off by the local police. Who was clamoring for this weirdo character to come back?
For reasons which I don't recall years later, I used to love this movie more than any other Bond film. Now I think it kind of sucks. But hey, my obsession with the movie helped finance my move out of the house when I was young--I wrote and published The Man with the Golden Gun adventure for the James Bond RPG!
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I don't think I would say Man With the Golden Gun outright sucks exactly- its definitely campy as hell and weird even with that in mind, but I was also never once bored while watching it so it had to be doing something right.

I'd be curious to hear more about this RPG thing.
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Raxivace wrote:I don't think I would say Man With the Golden Gun outright sucks exactly- its definitely campy as hell and weird even with that in mind, but I was also never once bored while watching it so it had to be doing something right.

I'd be curious to hear more about this RPG thing.
Scaramanga was an awesome villain (way better than the revolver slinging cowboy in the book's version of the character, which incidentally opens with Bond trying to kill M), but the casual sexism and cheesiness really annoyed me when I saw it last in the late 90's for the first time since designing the game. I showed it to a friend after having gamemastered him through the adventure. He had never seen the movie.

James Bond the RPG was a pencil-paper-dice role playing game put out by Victory Games in the 1980's. I was a play-tester for them in my high school and early college days. They paid for me to fly to conventions and help demo the game (wearing a tuxedo no less), and eventually they published my take on The Man with the Golden Gun as an adventure a gamemaster could buy to run his/her players through an alternative version of the movie.

I put really stupid things in the adventure out of sheer ignorance. For instance, one clue the characters could find if they searched a Chinese businessman's office was a memo written in cursive English (it's my sister's writing, too). Aaargh.
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Raxivace wrote:Ah I've seen Jules and Jim already. It's been a few years but I did like that one. I do kind of think that Y Tu Mama Tambien covers that particular version of a love triangle story a little better though (Or certainly more explicitly at any rate).
I agree Y Tu Mama Tambien was better. I enjoyed JAJ well enough, but I don't get why so many hold it in such high esteem. Maybe because it was the first of those kind of quirky comedies? If not, I can't immediately think of any before it.
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:Nah, even Homer nods.
Exactly, it explains his love of Dreyer. [blah]

For real though I probably should give Vampyr a rewatch at some point. I think I'm likely to come around on that one. Doubt Passion of Joan of Arc will ever work for me though.
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Really, Passion... is the odd-man-out in Dreyer's filmography. It's nothing like anything he did before or after. It was clearly a film made when he was in love with the montage style of Battleship Potemkin, and it was as extreme as he ever got when it came to framing. His later stuff, including Vampyr, is far closer to the elegant, long-take aesthetic of Murnau and (later) Mizoguchi. I've often wondered, given the success of Passion..., why it was a one-off for him.
Raxivace wrote:76. A River Called Titas (1973, Dir. Ritwik Ghatak) -

77. Dry Summer (1963, Dir. Metin Erksan) [/spoiler].
I see you've gotten to more from the Scorsese World Cinema box set. I really, really liked Titas, but I'd need to give it a rewatch to say more. What I most remember was how rich it was; rich in terms of narrative, character, texture, detail. It just seemed one of those films filled to the brim with content. Given its underlying humanism I can also see why Ghatak was so praised by Satyajit Ray (have you seen any of Ray's films yet, btw?).

Dry Summer I remember even less about, unfortunately. Even your plot synopsis did very little to jog my memory. I'm guessing it's probably the film that's stayed the least with me from that box set.
Raxivace wrote:78. The Man With the Golden Gun (1974, Dir. Guy Hamilton) -
"Goofy" would be the perfect adjective for this film if Moonraker wasn't the emperor of goofiness that makes Golden Gun seem rather normal and subdued. I actually think there's a really good Bond film in there somewhere if the writing and direction were a bit better, because the basic concept is one of the better ones in the series. It seems mostly like a lost opportunity, though, given how good the villain and setting were.
Raxivace wrote:80. The Love- Nest (1923, Dir. Edward F. Cline & Buster Keaton) -
Another good/solid Buster short. I remember this one more than many, perhaps because of its similarity to The Navigator that you pointed out.
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Faustus5 wrote:Scaramanga was an awesome villain (way better than the revolver slinging cowboy in the book's version of the character,
Ah, I guess that explains some of the western themed stuff in the film version.
which incidentally opens with Bond trying to kill M),
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James Bond the RPG was a pencil-paper-dice role playing game put out by Victory Games in the 1980's. I was a play-tester for them in my high school and early college days. They paid for me to fly to conventions and help demo the game (wearing a tuxedo no less), and eventually they published my take on The Man with the Golden Gun as an adventure a gamemaster could buy to run his/her players through an alternative version of the movie.
Well that sounds like it was a fun time at least.
I put really stupid things in the adventure out of sheer ignorance. For instance, one clue the characters could find if they searched a Chinese businessman's office was a memo written in cursive English (it's my sister's writing, too). Aaargh.
At the risk of sounding ignorant, is there a stereotype about Chinese people I'm not familiar with here? I'm a little confused as to why cursive writing might be troublesome.
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Eva Yojimbo wrote:Maybe because it was the first of those kind of quirky comedies? If not, I can't immediately think of any before it.
Perhaps. It's been too long since I've seen it to really remember what propelled it so high in so many people's eyes.
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I see you've gotten to more from the Scorsese World Cinema box set. I really, really liked Titas, but I'd need to give it a rewatch to say more. What I most remember was how rich it was; rich in terms of narrative, character, texture, detail. It just seemed one of those films filled to the brim with content. Given its underlying humanism I can also see why Ghatak was so praised by Satyajit Ray (have you seen any of Ray's films yet, btw?).
Yeah there is a lot going on in Titas, I'd definitely get more out of it with a revisit. I don't think I even realized the crazy character in the film who had lost his mind was the husband or whatever from the beginning of the movie until it was pointed out in one of the special features (Or maybe it was the essay in the booklet).

I haven't seen any Ray yet, though one of these days I'll sit down for the Apu trilogy. BTW there was an interesting documentary last year about The Simpsons, and specifically the character of Apu in the show that argued he was a racist stereotype. One of the points somebody brings up is how little there is to the Simpsons character in contrast to the Apu of Ray's films that he was named after being relatively rounded and complex. I didn't agree with all of the arguments in the documentary (They off-handedly mention Tropic Thunder as another example of racism in modern Hollywood, which I think is a bit too complex to throw under the bus so quickly like that) but it was interesting overall.
Dry Summer I remember even less about, unfortunately. Even your plot synopsis did very little to jog my memory. I'm guessing it's probably the film that's stayed the least with me from that box set.
Redes is probably the one I liked the least so far, though even that is interesting as an early example of neo-realism.

Also its kind of amusing that all of these first four films revolve around water in some way. The spring and dam in Dry Summer, the river Titas, the fishermen in Redes...even the protagonists of Touki Bouki desperately want to cross the ocean to get their beloved Paris.
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This might be a little rambly for how late I'm writing it but eh oh well.

81. 3:10 to Yuma (1957, Dir. Delmer Daves) - A nice elegiac western. The plot is pretty simple- a prisoner needs to be put on a train. Another man aims to put him there. Instead of being some kind of action film though, there's more focus on these two just talking to each other and becoming odd friends of sort- in a way it kind of reminds me of Ford's My Darling Clementine. It's interesting that this apparently drove Howard Hawks batshit enough about revisionist westerns (Alongside High Noon) to make the admittedly good Rio Bravo because I think it's a pretty optimistic little film.

And I can't not mention the delightful score in the film either. And the restoration of the Criterion blu-ray is utterly gorgeous. And man, the extended sequence in the hotel room is great as both a character piece and as a suspense sequence.

82. 3:10 to Yuma (2007, Dir. James Mangold) - It's interesting to contrast this with the 1957 version. Whereas the 1957 focused on the two men sitting in a room together, the 2007 puts more emphasis on getting to and then leaving the room. It's far more of an action film that the original's greater emphasis on character, and I'm not sure I like the darker ending this goes for with Christian Bale's character getting killed or the whole weird element of Russell Crowe's cursed gun and him ultimately killing all of his own men (The latter of which Elmore Leonard himself took issue with as well).

Crowe telling Bale he's broken out of Yuma twice already before they've even gotten on the train is an interesting change too, though here it seems done more the emphasize the pointlessness of Bale's later death than the original using the reveal to deepen the friendship (It's no coincidence that in the original, a long drought that has threatened the Van Heflin character's farm is ended by rain once this happens). In the original, men save their souls. The remake is too cursed and fatalistic and maybe a little needlessly ironic to end happily.

I appreciate the attempt to not just the 1957 film again with the exact same story; I just preferred the original take on it.

83. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977, Dir. Lewis Gilbert) - A solid Bond, and the whole angle of him becoming enchanted with a female Russian spy (Whose lover he killed!!!) was fun. This one really reminded me a lot of Indiana Jones more than any of the other films have too- perhaps it was some of the influence here from Lawrence of Arabia (I think the theme even plays at one point) that gives the film a little more of a classical adventure feel, and the Egyptian setting and so on. And of course, Indiana Jones' father is metaphorically Bond himself in Sean Connery's character in that series.

The cinematography here seemed a little more motivated than some of these other 70's Bond movies have too. Lots of shots of Bond being contrasted against open skies or ruins of monuments and pillars and so on, which itself works against how imprisoning the ocean and the underwater evil lair in the other parts of the film are supposed to feel (I wonder if this was one of the inspirations for the underwater city of Rapture in the BioShock video games).

Also was the Jaws character also meant to be a riff on the then recently released Spielberg movie? Like Jaws even fights a shark at one point.
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Raxivace wrote:At the risk of sounding ignorant, is there a stereotype about Chinese people I'm not familiar with here? I'm a little confused as to why cursive writing might be troublesome.
Wouldn't a Chinese businessman in Hong Kong write memo's in Chinese using Chinese characters instead of English cursive?
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Raxivace wrote:At the risk of sounding ignorant, is there a stereotype about Chinese people I'm not familiar with here? I'm a little confused as to why cursive writing might be troublesome.
Wouldn't a Chinese businessman in Hong Kong write memo's in Chinese using Chinese characters instead of English cursive?
...Ah, yeah lol.
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84. Murder on the Orient Express (2017, Dir. Kenneth Branagh) - While I haven't read Agatha Christie's original novel, this adaptation seemed fairly faithful to the story of the 70's movie. What I think Branagh brings to this is not only his delightful performance as Hercule Poirot (Dat moustache), but that sense of extravagance in his set design that was so wonderfully utilized in Hamlet and his live action Cinderella. Its particularly done well on the Orient Express itself, which has a kind of art deco vibe to it. Otherwise it just seems to be what you might expect from a competently done mystery novel adaptation.

85. Numamonjaa: Time and Space Adventures (1996, Dir. Itsuro Kawasaki) - Did you guys know there was a 16-minute Chrono Trigger OVA in the mid-90's? Turns out it's not very good and barely has anything to do with the game! The only nice thing I have to say about it is that Gato is in it and sings his classic song about beating him up for Silver Points.
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I haven't been following this thread at all, even though I've seen a handful of movies I want to discuss here at some point. Been tied up with other stuff.

I will mention, though, that I recently finished watching the third season of Love on Netflix, and it's a bittersweet and often delightful show that gets a lot right about relationships on the strength of its two fully fleshed out protagonists. I'm glad it ended with the third season because what a high note to go out on. Oh, and if you liked and had a crush on Gillian Jacobs in Community, this is a must see. I'm glad she's got other stuff lined up.

I don't know if I've already mentioned Aziz Ansari's Master of None - another indie comedy/drama, more experimental but perhaps cut in the same vein - but the second season of that show was also fantastic.
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maz89 wrote:I haven't been following this thread at all, even though I've seen a handful of movies I want to discuss here at some point. Been tied up with other stuff.
Yeah outside of Witcher 3 stuff I've been a bit busy myself again, though if there are any particular movies you want to mention please share.

Unfortunately I haven't seen any of those shows you've mentioned. :(
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86. Jungle Fever (1991, Dir. Spike Lee) - An interesting but flawed film about sexual attraction. Most of the story revolves around Flip, the sole black employee of a construction firm, and Angie, a white Italian-American woman who becomes his employee. They have an affair one night, and while they think they're in love the story reveals it's more that they were interested in the “otherness" of each other. Flip finds white beauty attractive (In his office he even had magazine pages of white models and such), and Angie is interested in the mythology of black men having larger penises than white men.

Flip is married with a child, of course the news breaks out. A lot of the most interesting parts of the film come from the reaction to this interracial affair. We later find out that Flip's wife herself had a white parent and struggled considerably being mixed race child, and I think this paints her reaction and the reactions of her black female friends to the affair in an interesting light. Likewise Angie's family does not take kindly to her having had sex with a black man, particularly her father.

The real standout here though is Samuel L. Jackson's character Gator, the older brother of Flip who harasses their parents for drug money. It's a strong performance, particularly in the final scene that culminates in the priestly father murdering his own first born child. I'm not entirely this fantastic sequence and subplot connects well with the rest of the movie, but it sure is strong.
I looked at some older reactions to the movie online, and a lot of people seemed to have criticized the movie for providing answers to questions of race relations in America, or seem to be presuming that by having Angie and and Flip's relationship fail that he's suggesting all interracial relationships are doomed to fail. I don't really think that was his goal here, as much as Spike is contrasting personal character drama against a larger backdrop of how some people react to interracial couples (Whether those reactions themselves are justified or not). It also helps that there's a running subplot where John Turturro's character falls in love with a black woman who shops at his convenience store, and that seems like it's more likely to end on a positive note than Flip and Angie's relationship.

The final shot of the film where Flip imagines his daughter having grownup into a prostitute is strange and a part of a running throughline through the movie of Flip both running to prostitutes and worrying about his daughter (Particularly in the beginning where he learns that despite being young she's aware of what sex is to some degree), and while that shot is still looming in my mind I'm not sure what to make of it either.

Also its worth mentioning how awful some of these dollyshots in the movie look, whenever characters take a walk. They end up looking more like they're riding on horse-drawn carriage than actually walking.

87. Pacific Rim: Uprising (2018, Dir. Steven S. DeKnight) - Pretty fun robot vs. monsters movie. I was surprised that they actually killed off some characters (Including Mako Mori and at least one of the teenaged pilot characters), and made one of the scientists of the first movie straight up be the villain here.

This one too seemed even more anime influenced than the previous Pacific Rim as well. Some key plot points seem influenced by Evangelion (Far more than the first film in my mind), there's a drone plotline that seems like it could be straight out of Gundam Wing or Macross Plus, and at one point the Unicorn Gundam statue is even displayed. Even bigger nerds will take notice of the Anaheim Electrons logo being displayed at one point during the sequence with the Gundam statue. If the original Pacific Rim was a love letter to the mecha anime of the 70's, this one is dedicated to the mecha anime of the 80's and 90's.

Pacific Rim: Uprising is hardly my favorite mecha film, but its probably the closest we'll ever get to a decent live action anime story out of Hollywood.
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88. Daisy Kenyon (1947, Dir. Otto Preminger) - David Bordwell has been talking this up on the podcast circuit for the past few years, and I finally got around to checking this out. Its a real interesting love triangle story between a woman (The Daisy of the title, wonderfully played by Joan Fontaine) and two men (Dana Andrews, playing a slick married lawyer, and Henry Fonda, a widower and a war veteran who has recently returned home). Its a pretty intriguingly ambiguous story that deceptively looks much more simple at first.

It also made me realize what it is exactly that I don't like about Phantom Thread. In Phantom Thread the big twist demystifies and recontextualizes two characters that weren't particularly misty to me to begin with and aren't that much more complex with the added information (I.e. Reynolds Woodcock goes from being an asshole to being an asshole with a fetish for being poisoned). The big revealing line about Henry Fonda's character in this movie (When it comes to modern combat tactics, you're both babies compared to me") not only recontextualizes his previously seen as dopey and wounded character into a way more cynical one, but also raises a ton of ambiguities about his actions (Like whether he wanted Daisy to find the letter from his dead wife or not, and if he did what exactly does this say about his relationship with his dead wife if he's willing to cynically exploit it to get in with Daisy? There's a lot of stuff like that in the film that you just can't take for granted anymore.) It also parallels Dana Andrews in an interesting way- he's a flawed asshole who treats his own wife like shit, but also later takes a pro-bono case to defend a Japanese man, whereas Fonda only gets darker the more you think about him. This is a film of weird contrasts. And how much did Daisy herself actually know about Fonda?

Its nice to see these kinds of questions in a film outside of a typical crime story or noir or whatever.

89. Diabolique (1955, Dir. Henri-Georges Clouzot) - Pretty fun thriller with a twist ending. A wife and a husband's mistress conspire to murder the husband, they go through with it, and after hiding the body…it vanishes. How and why did the body disappear?

Not much else to really say about it, but like I said its fun. Supposedly Hitchcock wanted to directed this but lost out on the rights, and I really wonder what he would have done with this (Interestingly, the source novel for Diabolique is by the same author as the source novel for Vertigo), especially with two female main characters. It also reminded me a lot of an arc in an anime called Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni that had a similar premise, though it ended up going in a pretty different direction. I wonder if it was influenced by this.
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Finally, a movie I've seen! Think I saw Diabolique last year and came to the same conclusion: it was a shit load of fun.

I've only seen one other movie by this director. The Raven, which was also excellent. Haven't seen Wages of Fear.
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I haven't seen The Raven or Wages of Fear myself. The latter is on my radar at least.

What did you think of The Raven?
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90. Our Town (1940, Dir. Sam Wood) - I'm reading Bordwell's book on 40's Hollywood narrative strategies, and since he had a whole chapter named after this film I figured I should watch it.

I'm not familiar with the stage play its based on, but the film version is kind of weird. There's no real external conflict to speak of, no real obstacles. It's mostly just the lives of two families in the town of Grover's Corners.

In a sense it kind of reminds me of The Tree of Life, though as you might guess it doesn't have the lyrical quality of Malick, opting more for kind of theatrical fourth wall breaking. One of the town citizens, a storekeeper, will directly speak to the audience, will narrate certain scenes, will invite other tertiary to give information about the history of Grover's Corner. In one scene, standins for film audiences will speak through the fourth wall to ask the storekeeper questions, who answers them, and in one part even has to cut one of them off at one point saying the time for questions is over. It's strange. He's constantly narrating about how characters are going to die in the future too, which adds a weird layer of darkness over most of the otherwise light-hearted film, until an important sequence in the ending.

One of our characters, a pregnant woman, seems to die in child birth and has a terrible vision where's she meets the ghosts of her loved ones who have previously passed. It's a weirdly surreal bit, where the dead are as emotionally dead as they seem to be literally dead.

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^Our character is the one in the back left here, all lit up.

Later she tries to take refuge in her own memories, but the past being the past, she can't actually change them and it's a kind of existential hell for her, as she wishes she would have paid more attention to and appreciated the quiet parts of life.

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^She becomes a kind of ghostly figure, watching her younger self talk to her mother, unable to get the attention of either of them, as the past has already happened.

The whole thing kind of reminds me of Instrumentality in Evangelion, but instead being attached to sci-fi its in this weird Hollywood film. It ends up only being a dream sequence, but with so much death looming over the rest of the film its easy to actually believe she's just straight up died and gone to a personal hell of some kind (And in the original play, she apparently did die in childbirth too, though the point isn't lost by having her live in the film either).

This weird film was nominated for the Best Picture Oscar for the films of 1940, though it lost to Hitchcock's Rebecca.

91. Stranger on the Third Floor (1940, Dir. Boris Ingster) - This one is a doozy. One of the earliest examples of film noir, a newspaper reporter is the key witness in a murder trial and gets a man set on death row. After the guilty verdict is passed, the man believes the accused may actually be innocent, and that the real killer may be a strange man he saw hanging around his apartment building, played by Peter Lorre.

Its interesting how much of what we typically associate with noir (Voice over, subjectivity, morally compromised protagonists, a man falsely accused of murder etc.) is already in place here. Even Lorre here seems to be playing a variation on his arguably sympathetic murderer from M, which itself is kind of a proto-noir anyways.

There's also a pretty whacky sequence where the reporter character imagines himself being falsely accused of murder that I can't possibly do justice to by describing or even posting screenshots. It only really makes sense in motion and in context, but its worth checking out (And this movie is only a little over 60 minutes long anyways), and kind of begins his downward spiral. Rather interestingly, with like 15 minutes remaining the reporter's girlfriend becomes the main character and does more than he does to actually solve the mystery.

Its worth taking a look at.

92. The Grapes of Wrath (1940, Dir. John Ford) - Holy hell, what a movie. I'm not familiar with this particular Steinbeck novel, but based on what else I've read of his, him and Ford are like a magical combination. Fonda's speech at the end...jesus.

One particular thing that interested me about this film was how Ford filmed machinery, something he didn't really do a lot of in his other movies that I've seen. The "cats" for example that threaten farmland are filmed very as very oppressive, dehumanized weapons, filmed more like tanks in a war movie...

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And this pattern of dehumanized vehicles is only really broken when in a slightly later flashback when one of the operators is recognized as "Joe Davis' boy" and there's a brief discussion about his motivation for brazing through farmland that isn't entirely unsympathetic toward him.

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Ford doesn't seem completely cynical about machinery though, since the noble jalopy of a truck (Often just barely held together) that Fonda and his family use consistently stands in contrast as a very personal vehicle, and remains so for the entire film.

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Raxivace wrote: What did you think of The Raven?
I dug it. An intriguing mystery wrapped up in a monochrome aesthetic. Thematically concerned with the breakdown of a community. I will say I did not see the 'reveal' coming at the end, but then I'm not the best at figuring this stuff out. In any case, the 'reveal' is just one end of it, the movie itself was bleak and interesting enough to hold my attention. Gave it a solid 8 IIRC.
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Must say I appreciate the effort you're putting into the reviews here. John Ford's Grapes of Wrath remains one of my favorite films ever so I'm glad it got the screenshot treatment. I didn't even remember Ford's visual approach relating to the machinery, so that is by itself sufficient reason to see it again.
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