We Can make Better Kids' Movies than 'Minions'

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We Can make Better Kids' Movies than 'Minions'

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/express/w ... n-minions/
Now that my son is 7, he believes he should get to go to press screenings with me. I usually disagree, based on the fact that I am the one who has to pry him out of bed the next morning. It's summer, though, and he wanted to see “Minions" so badly that I OK'd it.

While we waited for the lights to dim, I asked what he expected from the movie. “Funny jokes, destroying stuff, butts," he said. Then he began beatboxing, or what passes for it when you're a 7-year-old white boy.

I can attest that “Minions" does, in fact, have funny jokes, destroying stuff and butts. That's … about it. And the “funny jokes" is a matter of taste, in that I'm not so into bodily humor, but I recognize that I am not the target audience. The problem with a film having a “target audience," though, is that too often — especially when the target is children — it's an excuse to be lazy.

“Minions" tries to appease parents by throwing in pandering moments that all say “Hello, Mom and Dad! Thank you for your money!" There are allusions to “Abbey Road," the musical “Hair" and the fact that English people drink a lot of tea.

It used to be considered high praise to say a kids movie had something in it for parents. The thing is, those things were rarely anything great — they were just jokes you had to be over 20 to get, moments that snapped us out of counting down the seconds to when we could escape from whatever animated beast had us in its clutches. And it's not enough anymore.

Kids movies, TV and music have gotten so much better that parents no longer have to tolerate middling entertainment — and what's even more exciting is that means KIDS no longer have to tolerate middling entertainment. You don't need Raffi when you have They Might Be Giants. You don't need “Caillou" (DIE CAILLOU DIE) when you have “Phineas and Ferb." And you don't need “Minions" when you have Pixar and, to a lesser extent, Disney.

Everyone responds to quality. Well-developed characters. A story arc that doesn't just string jokes together but changes characters in a fundamental, believable way. Comedy that comes from a place of intelligence rather than bodily functions. (Well, maybe some bodily function jokes are OK.)
I'm not saying every animated film has to be “Inside Out," but the reason that film works — just like the “Toy Story" movies and “Tangled" and even “Despicable Me," where the Minions first appeared — is that the story resonates with the entire audience, whether or not they think farts are the funniest things ever.

Look, kids like what they like, and sometimes parents have to bend so our sanity doesn't break. Sometimes that means fine, yes, have a hot dog for dinner or just the bun, I don't care, Mommy needs some iPad time. Sometimes that means fine, yes, we will go see “Minions." It's not awful. It's just that the obvious attempts to please parents feel cheap. And we're a little tall to be talked down to.

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So some would say the article itself is condescending. Do you agree?

I ask because all too often we give a pass to kids' movies. Yet there are so many kids' movies that are very well done. And we certainly don't give a pass to movies meant for more mature audiences. We may overlook some things (MCU), but if it's blatantly bad (Transformers 2-4, Transformers 1 us forgiven because it did bring something "new"), then we react appropriately.

I'll take MCU as an example. If all these movies were animated, with a tiny bit of cleanup on language and violence, they would be relegated to kids' movie status. But they would be awesome kids' movies. We give them a pass (well, most of us), because we can see the passion and care taken with these movies. We are in awe with the ability to create a shared universe, even though I admit the awe is waning & weaknesses of it are starting to show (though Ant-Man did a good job of integrating).

It's not the same with Transformers 4, Minions, and other "kids' movies". These all feel like as long as they hit the right notes with their specific target, nothing else needs to be done. The worst thing about it is that it works and gives creators an excuse to continue to be lazy.

So, should we demand more effort from movie creators?
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The problem is, how do you tell your kids, "That movie looks stupid, we're not gonna go see it"?
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BruceSmith78 wrote:The problem is, how do you tell your kids, "That movie looks stupid, we're not gonna go see it"?
I didn't say anything about not taking your kids.
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How then do you demand more when you're still shelling out for movie tickets?
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BruceSmith78 wrote:How then do you demand more when you're still shelling out for movie tickets?
Free passes & rewards programs do exist to lessen what studios take in.
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Unvoiced_Apollo wrote:So some would say the article itself is condescending. Do you agree?
Yes.
The author gives herself away with the following phrase:
"Everyone responds to quality. Well-developed characters. A story arc that doesn't just string jokes together but changes characters in a fundamental, believable way. Comedy that comes from a place of intelligence rather than bodily functions."

There may be people who don't respond to this. And there may be people who respond to that but still enjoy watching a "check brain at entrance" movie. And I can forgive lots of things in a movie (racism, sexism, crude humour), as long as I am entertained.
Unvoiced_Apollo wrote:So, should we demand more effort from movie creators?
There's one way to do so: Stop spending money on movies you don't deem worthy of it. Movie creators work for movie studios, and movie studios are profit-driven companies. They have one goal: making money.
So if people spend lots of money on a type of movie, then movie creators have no reason to change their formula. Therefore, movies like Minions or the Transformer movies, or movies in the Marvel Cinematic Universe will continue to be made. As long as they make money.
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phe_de wrote:nd there may be people who respond to that but still enjoy watching a "check brain at entrance" movie
The problem is, I do enjoy those as well, or at least I thought I did (I liked Ted, disliked Ted 2).

While I too might disagree w/ the author's premise, I think what they're really saying is they want to see effort. Minions to me didn't provide that, not even by stupid humor standards.

This quote sums up how I felt about the movie:
In the same way, there's no attempt to give the Minions material that might better play to their preverbal, indestructible strengths. Had Balda and Coffin drawn inspiration from silent comedy - as Aardman Animations did for their intricately funny Shaun the Sheep movie - you suspect the film might have been better equipped to sustain the energy of those giddy early minutes. But instead, it soon becomes one barely choreographed, weightless action sequence flailing into the next.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/minions/review/

I can't help but feel frustrated at what really seems like something that could have been a fun, dumb kids' movie if a little more effort had been put into it.
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