Sad but true:

[CashRules]

Fuck it, I'm voting for the guy who's broke as shit and won't wear a suit.

[Unvoiced_Apollo]

Just saw this. And I agree. Plus he has a tiger zoo

[CashRules]

I could be convinced to change my mind if Jill Stein can explain that magic money trick of hers that nobody needs to understand.

[Gendo]

I'm still probably going to vote for Johnson; on the grounds that he's the best chance for a third party getting enough percentage to get noticed in the future.

[Blade Azaezel]

Why would you waste your vote on a third party candidate, when there seems to be a very real chance that Trump might win? Or is that all being blown up by the media?

[Gendo]

DA said it best... people having voted for someone like Hillary (voting just to keep the opposition out, as opposed to demanding higher standards for your own party) is how we ended up with someone like Trump being able to be a serious contender.

*Edit* Found the actual quote:

If Trump wins (which he won't), the responsibility will be solely on two, and only two, groups of people: those who actually voted for him, and those who voted for a challenger who is so repulsive that she made sure that large swathes of people couldn't bring themselves to support her. The blame should not rest on those people who can't support Hillary; the blame should rest on those who actively supported such a vile person in the first place and made sure she was the only possible alternative.

[Gendo]

And voting to actually make it so that in the future, we don't continue to end up having worse and worse candidates to choose from every 4 years is hardly a wasted vote.

[Blade Azaezel]

And voting to actually make it so that in the future, we don't continue to end up having worse and worse candidates to choose from every 4 years is hardly a wasted vote.

You really think that'll happen?

[OpiateOfTheMasses]

And voting to actually make it so that in the future, we don't continue to end up having worse and worse candidates to choose from every 4 years is hardly a wasted vote.

You really think that'll happen?

Apparently the whole thing is rigged anyway. And the media is in on the game too. So it doesn't matter who you vote for cos they will pick the winner.

Just sayin'.

[Cassius Clay]

This thread just gave me a stroke.

[CashRules]

I'm not cutting my hair.

[Derived Absurdity]

lol

[Cassius Clay]

We're actually damn lucky there isn't a 3rd party with enough pull to split the vote. GOP doesn't fuck around. They are united and loyal as fuck, and we need a party large enough to demolish them. I don't know why "the left" insists on fuckery.

[CashRules]

We're actually damn lucky there isn't a 3rd party with enough pull to split the vote. GOP doesn't fuck around. They are united and loyal as fuck, and we need a party large enough to demolish them. I don't know why "the left" insists on fuckery.

I'm not sure how accurate this is considering almost every analysis I've seen for the past twenty years or more has shown that the third largest party, the Libertarians, "take more votes" from Republicans than from Democrats. I've seen some evidence that this Presidential election may be somewhat of an anomaly in that respect with many Bernie supporters intending to vote for Johnson, a guy who represents a party that is almost the polar opposite of Bernie on at least 90% of all major issues. While certain areas of the country are more inclined to vote for the Greens than the Libertarians it remains that the LP will, on a nationwide basis, almost always receive more votes than all "left-wing" minor parties combined. This is without even taking into account that the fifth largest party (and third largest third party ), the Constitution Party, is so right-wing they make Ted Cruz look like Ted Kennedy.

[Anakin McFly]

Gary Johnson's mountain comment made my skin crawl. and wtf was that tongue thing even about.

I was about to ask how those people can end up running for President, but then I remembered someone I knew online who tried to run for President under the Green Party. She claimed to be the reincarnation of the Egyptian goddess Isis and had been married to Keanu Reeves, who was Osiris, and she needed to become President so she could warn humanity of the impending alien invasion when Planet X appeared.

lol someone mentioned her here: http://twitika.com/posts/81498

[Blade Azaezel]

I think the UK had a similar problem in our last election. Lots of people voted Tory, mainly because they felt the Labour Party had no real plan of action if they won. But lots of people hate the Tories and didn't want them in power. However, instead of throwing their voting power behind Labour, they split their votes across the Greens, UKIP and Liberal Democrats. So even though only 37% of the country actually voted Tory, they got into power cos 63% of the vote got scattered elsewhere.

And then we've got Brexit, where lots of people simy assumed Remain were going to win, so cast their vote for Leave cos they thought it'd be a protest vote...except it just helped the Leave numbers. A recent poll suggests that the number of Leavers with voter remorse would now actually swing the vote in favour of Remain. Bit late now.

I just think that sometimes you have to vote for someone dodgy if only to stop someone worse getting in, because you can bet a vast majority of the general public will not be thinking it through like you guys are. If they had braincells they wouldn't be voting Trump to start.

[Cassius Clay]

I imagine that a third party with a progressive platform(the kind of thing many leftists are trying to build) isn't going to be that appealing to the kind of people who support the GOP.

[Dr_Liszt]

Why would you waste your vote on a third party candidate, when there seems to be a very real chance that Trump might win? Or is that all being blown up by the media?

Do you remember on the day of Brexit, Remain was projected to win, therefore the pound was going up and everything was good until Sunderland showed up to tell us "FUCK YOU! WE ARE RUINING THIS SHIT!"?? And in Colombia "Yes" was projected to win too, but nooo, they had to fuck peace accords too and in the end "No." won. So yeah, I wouldn't be too confident about polling and projections this year. This year is the year of the assholes making a stand.

According to superstition, evil comes in three or something. So we already had 1. Brexit happening. 2. "No" winning. If the curse is alive and well, number 3 is Trump. I still have hopes that the Americans will step up and stop this curse.

[Cassius Clay]

According to many people I trust, MSM predictions never accurately account for minority voters(blacks, latinos, etc). Some theorize that it's because America has still not come to terms with the fact that minority voters now have a lot power in deciding the election. That it's a matter of arrogant white dudes thinking they still are the main deciders...and refuse to come to terms with the new reality. That this "Obama coalition" is perpetually disrespected by all sides...and that everybody is in for a rude awakening. I saw someone express this yesterday, saying that there have been a lot of articles written on Trump supporters, Bernie supporters, Stein supporters...but not much on Hillary supporters.

I'm confident that Trump will be crushed...but I think it's one of those things where the stakes are so high, that any chance Trump has is too much of a chance. It's like how being a plane crash is insanely unlikely...but it's such a terrible possibility that the chances feel higher than they are.

[Blade Azaezel]

Brexit pissed me off, i'm still pissed off about it. But what's annoying me even more now is that the EU seem determined to make us bleed for it. Just to make it even worse.

[Cassius Clay]

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... t-majority

The other thing is(and DA has talked about this before): if the people who make comments on articles and videos were the only ones allowed to vote, we would be congratulating President Trump(or plotting his assassination) by November. I think people get thrown off by the fact that the internet is not a good proxy for real life. One of the first comments I saw about this article was a dude sarcastically say "Pfft, yeah, SJWs are such a silent majority." Lol this motherfucker really thinks the internet is real life. No appreciation for the fact that there are a whole lot of people in the world that don't have time or patience to argue on the internet.

[Cassius Clay]

Clinton's signature weakness is that she is an ultimate insider — a veteran of a system many Americans have come to despise. This is, however, another way of saying that she has an unusually impressive résumé for a presidential candidate, with a longer and wider range of experience than any president since the Civil War. Clinton's silent majority values competence and experience, and recognizes that it's no coincidence the first plausible woman president had to be the most well-qualified candidate in generations and equally un-coincidental that in the hands of her enemies her great asset has been relabeled as a weakness.

This is something I forgot to bring up in the "untrustworthy" thread about Clinton. There's no way we would be seriously considering a woman President if she didn't have Clinton's experience and toughness. But, it's that same experience working within "empire" that makes her untrustworthy.

[Derived Absurdity]

Well, first of all, the polls were not inaccurate w/ Brexit. They were spot-on. Leave was slightly ahead for several days before it happened. It was the pundits who were wrong, because they didn't believe the polls. Like Trump. The polls showed him winning for months, yet pundits like Nate Silver spun increasingly pathetic rationalizations for not believing them, until they couldn't. The polling is generally very good. If anything, they're actually biased in favor of Trump. Polling consistently undercounts minority and millennial voters. They thought Obama was barely going to scrape by against Romney and he actually won by four points. I think the election is going to be even more of an epic blowout than the polls are showing right now (and they're showing a pretty epic fucking blowout right now).

I haven't read that article yet, but yeah, sure, Clinton has "experience" as being enmeshed within the deepest confines of the evil empire for decades. She hasn't actually *done* anything positive of note during that time; as many critics have noted, her resume is actually startlingly unimpressive for someone who has been in power for as long as she has. (Edit: the rest of this post was stupid, removed)

[Cassius Clay]

Regarding Hillary not doing much: there are folks who would strongly disagree.

It may be overstating to imply that it would be impossible to take a woman seriously without that kind of resume...but that's not really the point. The point is that there are much higher standards for women, and it's no surprise that the first serious female candidate needed this kind of experience to be taken seriously, which is then used against her. Obama needed to not only be half-white, but a damn near perfect human specimen.

Edit: I just noticed you removed the part I'm mainly responding to.

[OpiateOfTheMasses]

I've been watching the debates with the wife (who is far less interested in American politics than I am) and when Trump kept having a go at her for having not achieved a huge amount up to now the wife asked how she was meant to have "achieved" a huge amount when for the bulk of that time she was a single senator in a Republican dominated Senate or the Secretary of State when most Americans don't really care about what happens in their neighbouring states let alone a different country.

I couldn't think of an intelligent answer at the time because I don't know what would constitute suitable levels of "achievement" to keep Trump and his acolytes happy.

[Derived Absurdity]

Regarding Hillary not doing much: there are folks who would strongly disagree.

There are many people who disagree with that, folks. Many, many smart people are saying that Hillary has actually done a lot. You won't believe what some of those people are saying. They say to me, oh, Hillary has actually done a lot, and it's just amazing. Believe me.






I'm sorry.

[Cassius Clay]

So many people doubt the great work Hillary has done. It's because they're losers. Sad!

Edit: That was pretty funny tho. I could only hear Trump's voice as I read it. I guess I've been Trump all along. Sad.

I will defend Hillary's charcter and what I perceive to be unfair mischaracterizations when the time comes.

[Anakin McFly]

many of America's Trump-voting husbands are unaware their wives are for Clinton.

I like this.