Fox News: Hollywood marginalizes men

[Unvoiced_Apollo]

I considered putting this under movies, but I'd say this is a more general topic about how misandry is seeping into our society through liberal Hollywood. The video contains a clip of Steve Doocy taking offense to Frozen, which he says looks like (read didn't see) it portrays men as "evil and cold and bumblers". His guest (president and ceo of Concerned Women for America) goes on to say that it's not just Disney but all of Hollywood that's marginalizing men and doesn't have enough strong, masculine, heroic male characters. I suppose having a majority of Hollywood films with strong, masculine, heroic male characters isn't enough. Only 100% will do. Here's the clip and Chris Hayes' criticism.

[CashRules]

It's easy to make fun of the sissification in Hollywood with effeminate little posers like Efron and Pattinson being so popular. But then take a look at 40 years ago when their places in the list of most popular actors were taken by effeminate little posers like Woody Allen and Al Pacino. Before anybody comments; no, just no, Pacino has never been a great actor, you can't be a great actor when you play the same character in every movie you make. In fact, out of all the "big name" actors in The Godfather (the most overrated movie in history) the only real actors were Duvall and Caan. Nobody actually likes The Godfather, for some reason it's just fashionable to say you like The Godfather. John Cazale might have joined the list of great ones had he not died so young. Also, would Jude Law please just go away?

[Unvoiced_Apollo]

They aren't making fun of the sissification, which is really the fault of tweens or those with such a mindset. They're complaining that Hollywood is making men out to be superfluous and contribute nothing to relationships but a paycheck, ignoring that the majority of Hollywood movies are nothing but masculine male heroes.

[CashRules]

I post on my own terms.

[phe_de]

I just wikied Concerned Women for America. They make Germany's "PEGIDA" look intelligent and reasonable.

But fringe groups only maintain relevance if mass media are giving them a platform.

[Unvoiced_Apollo]

I just wikied Concerned Women for America. They make Germany's "PEGIDA" look intelligent and reasonable.

But fringe groups only maintain relevance if mass media are giving them a platform.

Which is unfortunate considering how massive Fox News is.

[aels]

When are we going to see a man win Best Director, that is what I would like to know

Hey Fox News:http://womenintvfilm.sdsu.edu/files/201 ... Report.pdf - this reminds me of that study, that I infuriatingly can't find, that ran along the lines that when a group was 70% male, 30% female, the dudes in the room thought that there was an even gender split. When it was 50/50, the dudes in the room thought that the number of women there dramatically outnumbered the amount of men in the room. Fox is upset that movies are not 100% Strong Dude Protagonists Doing Strong Dude Shit. Making even the slightest acquiescence towards women is seen as a massive, unfair tip in women's favour, even though the number of female protagonists (or even major speaking roles for women) is still much lower than that of men.

tl;dr: rawr i will destroy society with mah feminisms

[sikax]

Marlon Brando and James Caan are excellent actors. Robert Duvall's decent. Bobby Milk is also great. The redneck is right, though, The Godfather is overrated and somehow trendy. Very weird.

[BruceSmith78]

The Godfather's a good movie. Al Pacino's a really good actor who's starred in a lot of great films, although he does play similar characters in most of them. I haven't seen Dog Day Afternoon though. Is he a loud, cocky, uncompromising badass in that film too?

[CashRules]

People have the bad habit of thinking their opinions are the equivalent of my facts.

[sikax]

Hoo-wahh

[Boomer]

Why they keep giving roles to women instead of putting wigs on men just shows the lengths liberal hollywood will go to keep men oppressed.
#misandry #donttreadonme

[sikax]

[Ptolemy_Banana]

I'm going to ignore the ignorant opinions about the Godfather and simply say that this is a classic example of privilege seeing any reduction of privilege as oppression.

[Derived Absurdity]

Well, this thread took a bizarre turn. The Godfather is amazing and I like Al Pacino. It's not even close the most overrated movie in history, that honor would probably go to The Shawshank Redemption.

[Unvoiced_Apollo]

Well, this thread took a bizarre turn. The Godfather is amazing and I like Al Pacino. It's not even close the most overrated movie in history, that honor would probably go to The Shawshank Redemption.

Ptolemy tried to steer it back on topic.

When are we going to see a man win Best Director, that is what I would like to know

Hey Fox News:http://womenintvfilm.sdsu.edu/files/201 ... Report.pdf - this reminds me of that study, that I infuriatingly can't find, that ran along the lines that when a group was 70% male, 30% female, the dudes in the room thought that there was an even gender split. When it was 50/50, the dudes in the room thought that the number of women there dramatically outnumbered the amount of men in the room. Fox is upset that movies are not 100% Strong Dude Protagonists Doing Strong Dude Shit. Making even the slightest acquiescence towards women is seen as a massive, unfair tip in women's favour, even though the number of female protagonists (or even major speaking roles for women) is still much lower than that of men.

tl;dr: rawr i will destroy society with mah feminisms

See. Feminists finally admit that ridding the world of our privilege will destroy society. I must stop you with mah masculinism.

[Islandmur]

i've never seen the godfather.

[Unvoiced_Apollo]

i've never seen the godfather.

But have you seen Frozen? And is isn't it just full of feministic, man-hating cliches?

[Islandmur]

no i haven't seen frozen either.

Sometimes if a movie has too much hype it turns me off from watching it.

[Unvoiced_Apollo]

no i haven't seen frozen either.

Sometimes if a movie has too much hype it turns me off from watching it.

Well let's just say it stars women and men aren't perfect characters, therefore it's man-hating.

[Islandmur]

I don't think i've seen a movie where a man is perfect. They seem to be these damaged characters that women love anyways. Well unless we are talking fairy tales here, but then the women were perfect also (in the context back then of what women were supposed to be). Altough in most fairy tales the evil seems to be a woman also lol.

[Unvoiced_Apollo]

I don't think i've seen a movie where a man is perfect. They seem to be these damaged characters that women love anyways. Well unless we are talking fairy tales here, but then the women were perfect also (in the context back then of what women were supposed to be). Altough in most fairy tales the evil seems to be a woman also lol.

When I say perfect, I'm talking about the supposed "perfect male ideal".

[Anakin McFly]

Ironically, there are also people accusing Frozen of being misogynist. Which they probably have justifications for, because nothing is ever perfect, but it's still infuriating that you can't please anyone. Politically speaking.

[Gypsy-Vanner]

I want to marry James caan.

[Boomer]

I want to marry James caan.

I thought it was Sean Connery?

[Anakin McFly]

Sean Connery is so last week.

[Islandmur]

But that's just it, maybe it's just me, but I really don't see most men in movies the heroes at least as perfect ideal mates... particularly when you reach the action movies. I think older movies had "perfect men" for their era, but now a days I don't see it. Not to say that men don't think "this is what women want" the bad boy thing... I guess.

[Unvoiced_Apollo]

But that's just it, maybe it's just me, but I really don't see most men in movies the heroes at least as perfect ideal mates... particularly when you reach the action movies. I think older movies had "perfect men" for their era, but now a days I don't see it. Not to say that men don't think "this is what women want" the bad boy thing... I guess.

No No. Not ideal mates in your mind. It's what men like Doocy and women like the head of the CWA would think would be the ideal mate for you.

[Islandmur]

Hence my last phrase Not to say etc...

[Monk]

It's easy to make fun of the sissification in Hollywood with effeminate little posers like Efron and Pattinson being so popular. But then take a look at 40 years ago when their places in the list of most popular actors were taken by effeminate little posers like Woody Allen and Al Pacino. Before anybody comments; no, just no, Pacino has never been a great actor, you can't be a great actor when you play the same character in every movie you make. In fact, out of all the "big name" actors in The Godfather (the most overrated movie in history) the only real actors were Duvall and Caan. Nobody actually likes The Godfather, for some reason it's just fashionable to say you like The Godfather. John Cazale might have joined the list of great ones had he not died so young. Also, would Jude Law please just go away?

Brando isn't a real actor?

Anyway, I kinda agree about Pacino. Well, at least in the last 30 years. I think his transition from early Godfather to his character in part II was subtly and controlled.

Anyway, I did like the Godfather. I didn't see it until my mid-20s or so, and expected to really not enjoy it. But alas, I did.

Since we're on the discussion of overrated films:

The Departed
Inception
Network
The Usual Suspects