Mom vs son...I can't believe I watched the whole thing

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Mom vs son...I can't believe I watched the whole thing

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Anybody else seen this video?



I'll post the shorter version below.

So, this 14 year old kid lives with his mother, step-father, and few siblings. He and the siblings he shares a father with, visit their father certain weekends blah blah. One weekend, the father drops them back off, but the kid tells his siblings to tell the mom that he isn't coming in, that he's going to go live with his father. He had obviously discussed this in depth with the father and obviously had a plan/strategy...which is why the father is recording. This kid clearly hates living with his mom and step-father, and there is obviously a long history of struggle there. He is very angry at his mom for not letting him live with his father(or, at least, give it a shot for a while), and claims she is physically and emotionally abusive(they fight and yell all the time). He is also frustrated with his step-father because he seems like kind of a pushover that just does whatever the mom wants. And I felt this kid's frustration 'cause I've been in that situation. Now, I can appreciate the fact that as a step-parent, it might be more appropriate to take more of a backseat when you're not the biological parent, but that has consequences. And it can also communicate to the kid that you just don't care that much because it's not like it's your kid anyway. When one parent has all the decision-making power, it opens up the possibility for abuse. Having another parent that can "check" the other parent...and is invested enough to do so, is really important. A parent that can say "whoa, this is my kid too and what you're doing/saying is bullshit". If one parent is abusive, and the other one is a pushover(or somewhat neglectful/disinterested) and passively supports anything the abusive parent does, the abusive parent might as well be a single parent. And the former is actually worse because having a second parent constantly backing up the bullshit of the other parent will make the kid feel like he/she is crazy. At least, with a single parent, it's just you versus them.

So, I started watching this and just planned on watching a little bit, but it just pulled me in...next thing I know I've watched whole. Like I mentioned, I've been in this kid's situation, so maybe that's why I found it moving. So many parallels...my mother was a bit controlling(in fact, I see so much of my mother in this woman it's scary...but it's also why I feel for her. And they have the same intensity. Plus my mom is a damn lawyer, so she knows how to spin everything, and is very intelligent. That's what I grew up with [none]), had a pushover step-father, my real father was desperately trying to get custody of me while he was overseas(and he wanted to send me to boarding school in Switzerland...which I would have honestly loved to do 'cause I wanted to get away from my mother), my mother had painted him as a villain for most of my life(but I suspect there's some truth to it...and she had to apparently "abduct" me from him when I was one or two years old in Nigeria...because she had no power there, while he was a successful businessman and politician, and knew he wouldn't let her take me if she asked for a divorce), I had siblings from my mother's new husband that were toddler's and babies at the time(my mother had me when she was quite young)...so I had to take them into consideration as well, etc.

Now, I think it's reasonable to take a kid seriously if he/she says a parent is abusive and they don't want to live with them anymore, and that's part of the reason I completely sided with the kid and father at first, and why most people seem to do. But, there's also something wrong with the amount of speculation about the mother's intentions and tactics that I suspect there is misogyny at play. Off the bat, you can see that she is controlling and quite condescending in the way she talks to her son, and you slowly begin to see how manipulative she is...but she comes off intentionally transparent in her intentions...stating that she will basically do or say anything to keep her son from his irresponsible father, for his own good. There's a moment when she asks the police officer what her options are, and I think he might have mentioned she could charge her son, and the son says "did you hear that officer? how can she say she loves me in one breath, and in the next threaten"...and she basically says she will do whatever it takes to keep him from his father. Which I can respect/understand in one sense, but it makes me question her motives and intentions. This was like watching some weird movie...the drama, the suspense, the mystery/second-guessing, the shift in power/control, the tug of war, the emotional roller coaster, the weird limbo/grey area they were in of trying to figure out who had what rights and what could be done. Sometimes I wondered if the father was the bad guy in all of this...whether he manipulated the son...and even the son comes off as a bit manipulative at times(willing to do/say whatever it takes...which you can't really blame him for if he really is being abused). By the end, I was happy for the kid...and kinda proud of him, but sad for the mom as well. She goes from being somewhat cocky to basically pleading with her son by the end. There is one poignant moment near the end where the officer seems to give her and her husband permission to physically do whatever to get the boy in the house, and she suddenly goes from sobbing to this sort of gleeful "Oh, I got you now, boy!"...that came across as somewhat petty and devilish...like celebrating the fact that she was going to win. Made me wonder if everyone was right about what they were saying about her. Like she temporarily dropped the emotionally manipulative thing because she thought she had "won".


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That's so sad.

My take is that these scenarios are gray, I don't necessary believe the mom is a manipulative bitch and that the dad is the beacon of hope. For what she says sounds like there are drugs involved in here and doesn't surprise me. So in my opinion, I hope the kid grows up all right and I hope he can have a more peaceful upbringing with his dad. Hopefully stay off as much as he can from the toxic environment.
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Yeah, I just felt kinda sad for everyone(and simultaneously suspicious of everyone) by the end. There is a moment in there where the kid is like "Well, then let's go see a judge, 'cause right now I don't know who to trust."

What do you mean by drugs being involved? Are you talking about the accusations she made against his father? I think she was just willing to do/say anything to get her kid in the house. Which, on one hand, I can't really blame her for...but on the other, her willingness to play that dirty seems to legitimize the accusations against her. I just don't know what to think.

Some people siding with the mom think it's just a case of a growing boy frustrated with his strict mother, and obviously has freedom with his father(while resenting his step-father), so would rather be there. And even if she's not the best parent in the world(controlling, fighting all the time, etc), it doesn't mean she's abusing him. But, even still...even if she's not abusing him...why not just let him live with the father, if he seems that tortured about living with you. And there's something kinda creepy, possessive, and boundary-crossing about how she deals with it. A lot of parents seem to think they own their children. And I don't think the biological father is completely innocent in all this either...he comes across as a passive aggressive douche....but, at the same time, if she really is a terrible person...can't really blame him. [giveup]
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Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if there are drugs involved or alcohol. But it's just an ASSumption. Mainly because violence whether emotional or physical hardly shows up on "healthy" individuals.

I really don't want to say this, but looks like the kid if fucked no matter what. The mom does have something fake about her, but we can't really make assumptions and judgments out of 1 hour video.
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I can't make full conclusions on the whole situation, and assume she's an abusive bitch(like many people are willing to do), but there are things happening in the video that I think I can judge. Throughout, she never seemed to be completely earnest with her kid(like you said, there is something "fake" about her). Even when she acknowledges his feelings/anger it's in a very patronizing way. You can tell she is just doing/saying whatever it takes...just focused on the one goal of getting him in the house. She passively threatens, guilts, bribes, gaslights, etc...whatever it takes...which doesn't bode well. And she made it clear that she doesn't think he is equipped to make this decision...that she doesn't really care what he thinks. On one hand, that's probably not the best attitude to have with a child, on the other...I mean, they really are a child and aren't equipped to make a lot of important decisions for themselves. So, not sure how much I can blame her for "talking down to" and manipulating him(like "manipulating" to stop someone that's getting ready to jump off a ledge to their death)...but at the same time, I get the sense that she takes advantage of and exaggerates the fact that he may not know what's best for himself.
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Hey, at least he's not being raised by lesbians.
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BruceSmith78 wrote:Hey, at least he's not being raised by lesbians.
Or raising lesbians. You'd have to be a pretty terrible person if you're raising lesbians. [none]
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