I like it when the first world suddenly shows a light of common sense

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:23 pm

Maybe France is not as satanic as I think.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the- ... -1.3125630

Post by **aels** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:26 pm

On the one hand, the environment. On the other hand, Nutella is so delicious that I would happily eat nothing else for the rest of my life nomnomnomnom.

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:30 pm

Did you read past the first paragraph? She changed her stance almost immediately after learning that the leading company in the industry (supposedly) uses responsible sources, which I assume means those that replace what they harvest.

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:35 pm

Yeah... but you are assuming there are responsible sources in the third world. And says that the U.S is more likely to raise demand. So no matter what we are always fucked.

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:39 pm

No, I made no such assumption. I simply did not say, assume, nor imply what you think I did. In any case, trees are replaceable, so responsible and sustainable harvest is possible. The question is whether it is practiced.

phe_de · Post by **phe_de** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:39 pm

Nutella is apparently the wrong target, since Ferrero is apparently trying to use sustainable palm oil (if what they say is not just lip service).
Deforestation because of palm oil is a problem.

Maybe instead of boycotting products, it should be just made mandatory for each company to display what was used for their products.
This probably would not fit on a label; but in the times of smartphones and QR codes, this should not be an obstacle.
And then, let consumers make their own decisions.

As for me, I like Nutella; but I usually buy Chocoreale; a product that tastes as well as Nutella but uses organic sources.
Unfortunately, I can't say that meat replacement products like tofu are a suitable replacement for tasty steaks or sausages.

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:41 pm

I don't know any solution to this except for bomb the whole world. Let cockroaches lead the planet.

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:46 pm

a product that tastes as well as Nutella but uses organic sources

Yeah, we can't have people using those non-organic palm trees.

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:47 pm

Blade Azaezel · Post by **Blade Azaezel** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:49 pm

France will boycott or strike over anything. Just look at the Calais docks this week. Bloody French.

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:52 pm

I use France as an example on how to strike.

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:54 pm

The answer is simple: sustainable agriculture. Anything that uses trees and not just the fruit of the tree is going to take longer to replace, but everything agricultural is replaceable. Some things, like chickens, are just easier and faster to replace than others. Of course, if the world just returned to using hog fat this would never be a problem to begin with.

phe_de · Post by **phe_de** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:59 pm

CashRules wrote:
a product that tastes as well as Nutella but uses organic sources
Yeah, we can't have people using those non-organic palm trees.

"Organic" as in according to Fair Trade guidelines and Certified Organic from the European Union.

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:01 pm

So a meaningless label.

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:04 pm

Yeah... but that would require investment.

phe_de · Post by **phe_de** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:05 pm

CashRules wrote:So a meaningless label.

I don't think so.

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:28 pm

Dr_Liszt wrote:Yeah... but that would require investment.

If lumber and paper companies can manage, so can palm oil companies. This company:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verso_Corporation

under previous ownership once managed hundreds of thousands of acres of forest in Tennessee and only harvested a small percentage each year. They have recently sold most of their holdings but, as far as I know, the sustainable harvest practices are still in place.

But the simplest solution is to go back to using hog fat, you can replace a hog a lot faster than you can replace a tree.

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:50 pm

Ok. I'll start a campaign for hog fat.

Once I learn what it is.

Post by **aels** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:53 pm

I'm not a pigologist but I suspect it is fat from a hog.

Post by **thesalmonofdoubt** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:46 am

^ Professional taster of all things pig here but no pigologist either .. but, yes, I would guess that Hog fat is fat that comes from a Hog as well.

For the purpose of illustration for non-native English speakers who may not know this - Hog = Pig.

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:19 am

It's lard, except I've always found that word unappealing for some reason.

Post by **thesalmonofdoubt** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:32 am

I always thought Lard was any kind of animal fat used for cooking - but it appears that its particular to hog fat -guess you really do learn something new every day

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:40 am

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:40 am

Post by **thesalmonofdoubt** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:48 am

Damn - I knew that - and fixed

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:09 am

But what about the piggies that die???

CashRules · Post by **CashRules** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:14 am

I already answered that. They are easily replaced. Of course the problem with going back to lard is that the breeds that were mainly lard-type breeds are almost extinct. I doubt there are over 200 lard-type hogs in the U.S. now and we probably have more than anybody. Most of those are owned by commercial outfits that are contracted to one of the few major companies that still produce lard.

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:32 am

But the piggies die!

Anakin McFly · Post by **Anakin McFly** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:05 am

So do the palm trees. Will no one think of the palm trees?

Dr_Liszt · Post by **Dr_Liszt** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:20 am

In reality, I'm all for piggie slaughter as long as it's done in your borders instead of mine.

phe_de · Post by **phe_de** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:14 am

Lard is the French word for bacon. But "Lardass" is used as an insult for people who are not underweight.

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